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Published: Tuesday, May 14 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

Do we really trust our government and most especially the IRS to run this program? How many of their hacks will be getting waivers? And do we trust the IRS with the most personal of our information? The congress is wanting a waiver and do we believe they won't get it?

This will cover millions of people not covered and we were promised it wouldn't cost more, and we could keep our Doctors.
I don't believe in unicorns, and I don't want the government making health decisions for me and for my family. And above that knowing all my very personal health information. Think it can't be used against us, think again. Just look at the expanding criminal activity by the IRS going on now.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Actually, premium rates have increased at a lower rate since Obamacare was passed. I hate for that lil fact to get in the way of your rant.

I hope Karl is advocating a single payer system. Because going back to the old system when insurance companies could deny or drop people for any reason certainly isn't progress.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

"There are other comparatively low-cost solutions to our health care dilemma." Nice going, Mr. Gillette. You tease us with that generality, then fail to reveal what those solutions are. Let me take a crack at it: single payer. Except that might jeopardize your career as a health agent, wouldn't it?

isrred
South Jordan, UT

"Because of Obamacare, premiums are through the roof and expected to double again during the months ahead."
This is an entirely misleading statement. Yes, premiums have gone up since passage of Obamacare, but they have gone up at a slower rate than they were skyrocketing BEFORE The Affordable Care Act was passed. To blame the increase on Obamacare is just flat out wrong.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ The Real Maverick. "Actually, premium rates have increased at a lower rate since Obamacare was passed". Completely false! At the end of 2012, Mark Bertolini, the CEO of Aetna, the third-largest health insurer in the country, warned that many consumers would face “premium rate shock” with the advent of Obamacare’s major insurance regulations in 2014. He predicted that unsubsidized premiums would rise 20 to 50 percent, on average. For some people, premiums would double. “We’re going to see some markets go up as much as 100 percent".

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Why let good facts get in the way. Premiums have not doubled. I get this is an opinion but why does the DN provide print time to such utter falsehoods?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Simply said everything Karl says is false. To Mountainman here's the facts, despite what the CEO Aetna predicted in 2012, Aetna's official request in the state of Maryland last month for their 2014 rate increase was 12% to 15% a much smaller increase than Aetna had requested in previous years.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Prag. In spite of your twisting everything the author said, I would remind you that not everyone lives in Maryland, even if what you said is true! Wait until the end of 2014 when your precious Obamacare has been fully implemented before you tell us who wonderfully inexpensive it is! If you work for a living and have company sponsored health care, ask your employer about the cost of Obamacare. Everything we were told about Obamacare is turning out to be a complete lie! But for you, that's great!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

So when Mntmans facts are found to be misleading (not his fault, the radio told him so) he tries to change it to "wait and see" which is all, his original factoid was, a guess presented as data.

The original article reads like a bad email right wingers keep forwarding to other Republi-Cons.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

What is a “20-year career health agent”?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Happy Valley. What was that word we heard the other day-ad hominem? Thanks for proving me right!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Mark Bertolini, the CEO of Aetna, the third-largest health insurer in the country, warned that many consumers would face “premium rate shock” with the advent of Obamacare’s major insurance regulations in 2014"

Anyone think that Aetna's profits just might rise handsomely as a result of the predicted "premium rate shock"?

A bit self serving I would think.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I applaud your overuse of the word 'trainwreck'. While I agree that so called Obamacare is less than ideal, it's at least an idea, something the republicans could never bring forward. What we need is a system that eliminates health care agents, insurance companies with their buildngs,shareholders and margins, companies and hospitals that scam and pad the bills, the works. We need a single payer system that gets rid of all that private, for profit fat.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

Could this letter writer be upset because health insurance exchanges are a real threat to an insurance agent who specializes in selling medical insurance policies?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

"Obamacare" was the republican option when Bill Clinton first attempted to get a national healthcare program 20 years ago.
"Obamacare" is exactly what Willard "Mitt" Romney gave Mass. when he was the governor.
Is it perfect? No. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely yes!

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

"I think Obamacare is a trainwreck waiting to happen."

Then you agree with Obamacare's sponsor in the Senate. Max Baucus (D-Montana) said: "I just see a huge train wreck coming down."

Baucus is retiring next year.

"Deciding not to run for re-election was an extremely difficult decision. After thinking long and hard, I decided I want to focus the next year and a half on serving Montana unconstrained by the demands of a campaign."

Translation: I can't win another election with my name all over Obamacare.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

here is a real life Obamacare nightmare...

school districts in Utah ...and nationwide...are having to inform all of their aid's that there will be NO MORE 40 hour work weeks offered to aids going forward (July 1) due to the mandates of Obamacare that all 40 hour work week employees MUST be provided health care whether they want it not. Of course the Utah school districts ...and I suspect nationwide ...won't even come close to affording health care for their aids so the result is schools are going to lose their aids...aids that they depend on especially in Utah for academics, office work, janitorial etc... Most will not be willing to cut back to 27 hours a week and will seek work elsewhere. The schools will be forced to hire less experienced younger help or go with out. The teachers will suffer - the kids will suffer.

My neighbor is a 40 hour per week janitor at the local grade school and he has insurance via his wife so he doesn't need or want a second insurance but Barack says you MUST have insurance. Get used to it people - your freedoms are leaving FAST!!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Premiums the last three years have not gone through the roof, they've increased at the slowest rate in half a century so the letter writer is just plain wrong. (Of course a lot of the reason for the slow rate of increase is due to the recession, Obamacare has had minimal effect so far since most of Obamacare doesn't go into effect until 2014).

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Patriot
If your janitor friend has insurance through his wife he doesn't have to purchase it again through his job. One insurance policy is enough to satisfy the ACA requirements.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "atl134" Obamacare is already in effect. We already have some clauses like the slacker mandate being applied to policies. Go to Obamacarefacts and read up on the provisions that are already in effect.

To "Ernest T. Bass" actually nothing would have been better than Obamacare. Premiums may have increased, but the increase would have been less than what we are seeing and will see.

To "Hutterite" Obamacare gives us just that. Granted it is not a true single payer system, but it is a fascist system where the government controls the corporations down to the allowable profit margins.

To those of you who don't think that Obamacare will change the cost of insurance, read the following:

"Obamacare to raise claims cost 32 percent, study shows" - CBS News

"Schumer Admits Health Insurance Premiums Have Increased" Real Clear Politics you can listen to Chuck Schumer admit that Obamacare has made insurance more expensive.

"Maryland Offers Glimpse At Obamacare Insurance Math" Kaiser Health News

"Health Actuaries: Obamacare Rates Will Soar" Everyday Health

"Health Insurers Warn on Premiums" WSJ.

Apparently the experts, and even the politicians agree that Obamacare is pushing rates up by at least 25%.

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