Published: Monday, May 13 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Mr. Bennett is upset that the Heritage foundation disagrees with him. No
organization has proposed lining up 12 million undocumented immigrants and
marching them across the border at the point of a bayonet. Why would you even
say it? To cast dispersion on them?I disagree on them paying their
way. In the 1986 amnesty, many were laid off, so that business could hire more
cheap labor. They are working because they will undercut American wages. Once
that ability is gone, they will get fired, or used to cover the lost hours that
business will create by cutting people to 29 hours. Many will end up on welfare,
law enforcement will have to increase their budgets (the largest law enforcement
agencies are against amnesty) Their children will cost America billions in
schooling. As low wage earners, they will not pay taxes, but will be eligible
for earned income credit. They will not pay their way for many years. Many
articles have been written about the cycle of poverty. Most children will not
improve over their parents.
Corporate America wants cheap labor and nothing is going to stand in their way
in getting it. Heritage's study could be right or it could be wrong. Facts
don't matter, Corporate America wants what it wants.
Mr. Bennett - We don't care what the "political spectrum" has to
say -- not nearly as much as we care about what our common sense tells us. We
know, for example, that the presence of illegal aliens is good for business and
churches, but a disaster for society at large. We know that their illegal
presence costs taxpayers around 113 Billion dollars ANNUALLY, and Utahns almost
a half a Billion dollars annually. We also recognize what you are
denying, that legalization of illegal aliens would undermine the rule of law,
that it would be unfair, that it would be wrong on several levels.
"Heritage concedes what every other study has shown, which is that our
current population of illegal immigrants pays more in taxes than they consume in
taxpayer funded services and that will likely be true for at least 10
years."I have read several studies, including the Heritage
foundation thanks to this statement. I have not seen one study that proves that
their pay more in taxes than what they cost the taxpayer. Heritage foundation
says; "average unlawful immigrant is 34 years old, has a 10th-grade
education, and already receives $14,387 per household in government benefits in
excess of taxes paid." Where did Senator Bennett read his figures from?
Heritage also says; "After the bill’s “interim” period of
about 13 years, when former unlawful immigrants become eligible for welfare and
Obamacare subsidies, that “fiscal deficit” would double to $29,500
per household."The cost of 3 children in Utah k-12 schools would
cost the taxpayers $21,000 each year for 13 years. This bill will increas
poverty among our poor, and destroy the middle class.
The problem with studies like the one from Heritage is it is not a quest to find
answers, but a quest to find answers that support a pre-existing narrative they
are trying to promote. It had an ideological point of view it was trying to
support.Now this in itself isn't always wrong. Columbus went
off trying to prove he could find a short cut to the India trade routes. He was
wrong. What he found was neither he, nor his distractors, were right. The
answer was something completely different.Likewise, I think if we
extract all the emotion from this debate, we will find the right answer is
likely something other than either side is proposing. Inject emotion... and you
will get lots of variation of common sense. Insert politics, and common sense
An insightful and logical analysis by Mr. Bennett. He's right - the
Heritage Foundation did not do the homework on this one. Instead, their staff
simply guessed what could happen - hardly a good way to guide public policy.
We dont want real studies. We dont want people to look at problems and propose
the best, most reasonable, workable solutions.We want our political
ideology validated.If it is NOT validated, it is partisan. We only want research to conclude what we already "know". If corporations worked that way, they would all be out of business. If
they studied a problem only looking for their predetermined answer, they would
fail.This mentality permeates more than ever, our partisan political
views.That is why nothing can change until we are open to all good
solutions and research. Even if it conflicts with our perceptions and our
political ideologies.Mitt Romney is a business man. I am quite
certain that he was strictly fact based in his business dealings and looked for
solutions based on facts only.Could he have used that experience and
process as president?Not for a second. Any deviation from party
ideology is blasphemy, regardless of how fact based it may be.
Mr/ Bennett if you are so qualified with the numbers on amnesty where were you
as a member of the Senate Banking Commitee regarding the housing market
meltdown? You were silent. Either you knew nothing or just never said nothing.
As for me I will take Heritages messsage to the bank way before I consider
Re:prelax"Q: Do illegal immigrants cost $338.3 billion dollars a
year?""A: A chain e-mail that makes this claim is loaded
with errors and misleading assertions. Published studies vary widely but put the
cost to government at a small fraction of that total.This chain
e-mail has been forwarded to us by readers many times over the past year. The
most recent version adds a new angle, claiming that the amount of money
taxpayers spend on illegal immigrants would be enough to "stimulate the
economy." But no matter the spin, the e-mail is rife with errors."(Factcheck, "Cost of Illegal Immigrants" 2009)
A survey directed by University of Washington political scientist Christopher
Parker, finds that America is definitely not beyond race. For instance, the Tea
Party, the grassroots movement committed to reining in what they perceive as big
government, and fiscal irresponsibility, also appear predisposed to intolerance.
Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement.
Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks
are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of
Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters
believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even
fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy."(Univ of WA Institute on Race, Ethnicity and Sexuality 2010)
I would be interested in one of the amnesty advocates explaining to me how an
illegal trespasser "pays more taxes, than they take", out of the
system.I live all around illegal trespassers, so I sorta see how it
works.How can someone who has 4 kids, (and counting),sends them to
public school at a cost of approx 6k per year per child, gets WIC, food stamps,
and food bank assistance, lives, sometimes 6 families to a 3 bdrm home, and
sends ANY extra cash "back home" at the end of the month; - be a
"net" taxpayer?No, its NOT unusual!
Re Fitness Freak you described most Utahans not just the illegal ones. Most
Utahans receive more benefits from taxes than they pay because of the large
family size, and depressed wages in Utah.All is well in Zion
In what respect has the Heritage Foundation ever been worthy of respect? No
matter what question they "study," we already know what their conclusion
will be. This is not a "think tank," it's a "no-think tank"
where all questions have already been answered by ideology. Some sources are
simply unreliable, and this is one.
The republican party has become a party not of ideas, but of ideology. Bad
ideology. And when party members need some help supporting it, they can usually
count on the heritage foundation to step up. "heritage". Yeah, it even
sounds like a room full of grumpy old white guys.
Ironically, I lost respect for Bob Bennett when he avidly pushed for amnesty
back in 1997, I was with a group of State Delegates visiting his Provo office
and they had no interest in listening to constituents on this issue.
"add little or nothing to the economy" Since when did adding
something to economy matter in America under Obama? The majority of the Obama
electorate (who were legal citizens) added nothing to economy either ... and
they were rewarded with another 4 years of handouts. America isn't about
productivity anymore... those days are long gone. Socialism produces and relies
on more and more welfare bums. Might just as well let em all in until the money
runs out...then blame conservatives.
No mention of the news about Jason Richwine, a co-author of a disputed Heritage
Foundation report on a new immigration bill, resigned after his claim that the
average IQ of immigrants is lower than that of the 'white native
population' came to light in his 2009 Ph.D. dissertation.Really
no surprise here though.
Truthseeker, never seen your friends email, most quote the center for
immigration studies $113 billion per year. Happy Valley Heretic, for
years I heard the same excuse from Hispanic organizations, including their local
leaders. It was used to justify their working in agriculture. A
dissertation 4 years ago? Must of been painful for the pro-illegal folks to sit
on it for that long. We can control our borders, we can't stop it 100%, but
with interior enforcement and E-verify, we can make it manageable. Bennett has always sided with business on illegal immigration.
Good grief..... doesn't the socialism record have another side to it? The vast majority off all programs in the government today predate
Obama.... even Bush......even Carter or Reagan. Why in the world people drone
on about this radical shift to socialism...... not much has changed......
except that big elephant in the corner of the room callled ObamaCare. And even
that isn't socialized medicine.... a far cry from anything a
"socialist" would promote.If amnesty for immigrate is a
socialist program.... then the patron saint Ronald Reagan was head socialist. I
suppose Alan Simpson was also a lefty too....
The 1986 amnesty was bi-partisan. Ted Kennedy was the Democratic force behind
it, and nothing good come of it. It gave us the problems of today. And if the
2013 amnesty goes through, it's not a fix either. It will bring millions
more, and more cries for amnesty. Remember Clinton gave out 6
amnesties also. They equaled the number of Reagan. .
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