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Published: Monday, May 13 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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prelax
Murray, UT

Mr. Bennett is upset that the Heritage foundation disagrees with him. No organization has proposed lining up 12 million undocumented immigrants and marching them across the border at the point of a bayonet. Why would you even say it? To cast dispersion on them?

I disagree on them paying their way. In the 1986 amnesty, many were laid off, so that business could hire more cheap labor. They are working because they will undercut American wages. Once that ability is gone, they will get fired, or used to cover the lost hours that business will create by cutting people to 29 hours. Many will end up on welfare, law enforcement will have to increase their budgets (the largest law enforcement agencies are against amnesty) Their children will cost America billions in schooling. As low wage earners, they will not pay taxes, but will be eligible for earned income credit. They will not pay their way for many years. Many articles have been written about the cycle of poverty. Most children will not improve over their parents.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Corporate America wants cheap labor and nothing is going to stand in their way in getting it. Heritage's study could be right or it could be wrong. Facts don't matter, Corporate America wants what it wants.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Bennett - We don't care what the "political spectrum" has to say -- not nearly as much as we care about what our common sense tells us. We know, for example, that the presence of illegal aliens is good for business and churches, but a disaster for society at large. We know that their illegal presence costs taxpayers around 113 Billion dollars ANNUALLY, and Utahns almost a half a Billion dollars annually.

We also recognize what you are denying, that legalization of illegal aliens would undermine the rule of law, that it would be unfair, that it would be wrong on several levels.

RichardB
Murray, UT

"Heritage concedes what every other study has shown, which is that our current population of illegal immigrants pays more in taxes than they consume in taxpayer funded services and that will likely be true for at least 10 years."

I have read several studies, including the Heritage foundation thanks to this statement. I have not seen one study that proves that their pay more in taxes than what they cost the taxpayer. Heritage foundation says; "average unlawful immigrant is 34 years old, has a 10th-grade education, and already receives $14,387 per household in government benefits in excess of taxes paid." Where did Senator Bennett read his figures from? Heritage also says; "After the bill’s “interim” period of about 13 years, when former unlawful immigrants become eligible for welfare and Obamacare subsidies, that “fiscal deficit” would double to $29,500 per household."

The cost of 3 children in Utah k-12 schools would cost the taxpayers $21,000 each year for 13 years. This bill will increas poverty among our poor, and destroy the middle class.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

The problem with studies like the one from Heritage is it is not a quest to find answers, but a quest to find answers that support a pre-existing narrative they are trying to promote. It had an ideological point of view it was trying to support.

Now this in itself isn't always wrong. Columbus went off trying to prove he could find a short cut to the India trade routes. He was wrong. What he found was neither he, nor his distractors, were right. The answer was something completely different.

Likewise, I think if we extract all the emotion from this debate, we will find the right answer is likely something other than either side is proposing. Inject emotion... and you will get lots of variation of common sense. Insert politics, and common sense completely disappears.

UTAH Bill
Salt Lake City, UT

An insightful and logical analysis by Mr. Bennett. He's right - the Heritage Foundation did not do the homework on this one. Instead, their staff simply guessed what could happen - hardly a good way to guide public policy.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

We dont want real studies. We dont want people to look at problems and propose the best, most reasonable, workable solutions.

We want our political ideology validated.

If it is NOT validated, it is partisan.

We only want research to conclude what we already "know".

If corporations worked that way, they would all be out of business.
If they studied a problem only looking for their predetermined answer, they would fail.

This mentality permeates more than ever, our partisan political views.

That is why nothing can change until we are open to all good solutions and research.
Even if it conflicts with our perceptions and our political ideologies.

Mitt Romney is a business man. I am quite certain that he was strictly fact based in his business dealings and looked for solutions based on facts only.

Could he have used that experience and process as president?

Not for a second. Any deviation from party ideology is blasphemy, regardless of how fact based it may be.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Mr/ Bennett if you are so qualified with the numbers on amnesty where were you as a member of the Senate Banking Commitee regarding the housing market meltdown? You were silent. Either you knew nothing or just never said nothing. As for me I will take Heritages messsage to the bank way before I consider yours.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:prelax

"Q: Do illegal immigrants cost $338.3 billion dollars a year?"

"A: A chain e-mail that makes this claim is loaded with errors and misleading assertions. Published studies vary widely but put the cost to government at a small fraction of that total.

This chain e-mail has been forwarded to us by readers many times over the past year. The most recent version adds a new angle, claiming that the amount of money taxpayers spend on illegal immigrants would be enough to "stimulate the economy." But no matter the spin, the e-mail is rife with errors."
(Factcheck, "Cost of Illegal Immigrants" 2009)

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

A survey directed by University of Washington political scientist Christopher Parker, finds that America is definitely not beyond race. For instance, the Tea Party, the grassroots movement committed to reining in what they perceive as big government, and fiscal irresponsibility, also appear predisposed to intolerance. Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy."
(Univ of WA Institute on Race, Ethnicity and Sexuality 2010)

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

I would be interested in one of the amnesty advocates explaining to me how an illegal trespasser "pays more taxes, than they take", out of the system.

I live all around illegal trespassers, so I sorta see how it works.

How can someone who has 4 kids, (and counting),sends them to public school at a cost of approx 6k per year per child, gets WIC, food stamps, and food bank assistance, lives, sometimes 6 families to a 3 bdrm home, and sends ANY extra cash "back home" at the end of the month; - be a "net" taxpayer?

No, its NOT unusual!

Cowboy Joe
Encampment, WY

Re Fitness Freak you described most Utahans not just the illegal ones. Most Utahans receive more benefits from taxes than they pay because of the large family size, and depressed wages in Utah.

All is well in Zion

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

In what respect has the Heritage Foundation ever been worthy of respect? No matter what question they "study," we already know what their conclusion will be. This is not a "think tank," it's a "no-think tank" where all questions have already been answered by ideology. Some sources are simply unreliable, and this is one.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The republican party has become a party not of ideas, but of ideology. Bad ideology. And when party members need some help supporting it, they can usually count on the heritage foundation to step up. "heritage". Yeah, it even sounds like a room full of grumpy old white guys.

Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

Ironically, I lost respect for Bob Bennett when he avidly pushed for amnesty back in 1997, I was with a group of State Delegates visiting his Provo office and they had no interest in listening to constituents on this issue.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

"add little or nothing to the economy"

Since when did adding something to economy matter in America under Obama? The majority of the Obama electorate (who were legal citizens) added nothing to economy either ... and they were rewarded with another 4 years of handouts. America isn't about productivity anymore... those days are long gone. Socialism produces and relies on more and more welfare bums. Might just as well let em all in until the money runs out...then blame conservatives.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

No mention of the news about Jason Richwine, a co-author of a disputed Heritage Foundation report on a new immigration bill, resigned after his claim that the average IQ of immigrants is lower than that of the 'white native population' came to light in his 2009 Ph.D. dissertation.

Really no surprise here though.

SLars
Provo, UT

Truthseeker, never seen your friends email, most quote the center for immigration studies $113 billion per year.

Happy Valley Heretic, for years I heard the same excuse from Hispanic organizations, including their local leaders. It was used to justify their working in agriculture.

A dissertation 4 years ago? Must of been painful for the pro-illegal folks to sit on it for that long. We can control our borders, we can't stop it 100%, but with interior enforcement and E-verify, we can make it manageable.

Bennett has always sided with business on illegal immigration.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Good grief..... doesn't the socialism record have another side to it?

The vast majority off all programs in the government today predate Obama.... even Bush......even Carter or Reagan. Why in the world people drone on about this radical shift to socialism...... not much has changed...... except that big elephant in the corner of the room callled ObamaCare. And even that isn't socialized medicine.... a far cry from anything a "socialist" would promote.

If amnesty for immigrate is a socialist program.... then the patron saint Ronald Reagan was head socialist. I suppose Alan Simpson was also a lefty too....

RRB
SLC, UT

The 1986 amnesty was bi-partisan. Ted Kennedy was the Democratic force behind it, and nothing good come of it. It gave us the problems of today. And if the 2013 amnesty goes through, it's not a fix either. It will bring millions more, and more cries for amnesty.

Remember Clinton gave out 6 amnesties also. They equaled the number of Reagan.

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