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FBI said shooting appeared to be "street violence"

Published: Sunday, May 12 2013 6:30 p.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The NRA always gets its' way. They'll be able to put a positive spin on this one, too.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The NRA . . . .[will] be able to put a positive spin on this one, too."

Well, I think we can all be glad there was no loss of life, the NRA included.

But, if anti-American, anti-gun liberals disingenuously suggest that any of their current crop of unconstitutional, people-control proposals could have prevented or even have had the slightest effect on this near-disaster . . . well, let's be polite -- we can safely ignore them.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal
Nothing the Senate has proposed is unconstitutional. That's just a fact based on supreme court rulings and briefs that note that the 2nd Amendment does not mean there can't be regulation on firearms. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Manny
Saint George, UT

"The NRA always gets its way" What the heck does that even mean? The NRA does not support random shootings and senseless death and injuries. Really? There are people who actually believe that? The NRA is about protecting a right given to law-abiding citizens who deserve to keep that right. 99% of all gun users are law-abiding and will fight to keep that right. The few out there that behave in an evil way seem to be getting all the press lately. Be thankful there is a group who is fighting for one of your many rights and freedoms. There may be some out there who can't believe this, but if the 2nd Amendment goes down, the 1st and 4th will be next and our lives will be forever changed in a way you wouldn't believe possible. That's not conspiracy talk either. Just read the history books and see for yourself. It's happened before.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

After going shooting with family, I was thinking I may actually want a gun someday. I'm not into hunting for sport but shooting at targets was a hoot of fun.

Not much later, children were killed in Connecticut.

Then I was thinking "Man, maybe I might want a gun for protection. I don't really fear for my own life. I've always figured that as long as I know I'm living the way God wants me to, that's all I need to concern myself with. But now... maybe for the sake of protecting my family this may be more important than I thought."

Today another shooting, and I know that more will happen this year. More will happen next year.

I believe that young men are less grounded than every before. I believe that the decay of the family and other trends in our society today will only accelerate this. Aside from the cause, I believe the rate of these horrible crimes will likely increase and that each day more people choose to be "without civilization" as it is worded in the Book of Moroni.

Now: The decision is made. I'm getting a gun.

county mom
Monroe, UT

Actually, most of the shootings in New Orleans have been by criminals, legally unable to own a gun. More legislation would not prevent street crime like this. Look at Washington DC, Chicago, LA and every other city with strict gun laws... You can not dictate morals or a conscience. More over, Laws only seem to apply to the law abiding. Those who break the law will continue to shoot up and blow up crowds, unless there is someone in the crowd that can stop them, like police, security guards, military or law abiding citizens with a weapon.
Today is Mothers Day!
Not a holiday for these criminals, they don't even have respect for their own.
Instead of being with their mother they were shooting up a parade.
No love, No conscience. Barely human!

Oregonian
Sherwood, OR

Re: Hutterite

"The NRA always gets its' way."

Any stats on how many violent shootings are done by members of the NRA? I'd wager my paycheck the instigators of this shooting voted early and often for Obama.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Nothing the Senate has proposed is unconstitutional."

Yeah, yeah. I know that's the leftist party line. But, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that.

I know anti-American, anti-gun liberals have concocted a semantic ruse, converting the plain meaning of "shall not be infringed" into liberal newspeak as, "shall be infringed." But the Supreme Court has yet to uphold such nonsense. And, it specifically overturned similarly facile liberal dogma in the McDonald-Heller line of cases.

Real people wouldn't bet the farm that the Supreme Court would uphold ANY of the Senate's current people-control measures, but a beyond-silly "assault weapons" ban, or a magazine size limit are almost certain to be overturned.

Maybe desperate, doctrinaire liberals would, but not real people.

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Americans and guns=bloodshed and tradegy. The only control we have is not to buy into the fear the NRA and gun rights groups want us to embrace. It's a fact that if you own a gun it's 5 times more likely to be used on you or a loved one in your house. This tradegy is another example of what's wrong in America but make no mistake another law or more guns would have not stopped it.

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Hutterite

The problem isn't the NRA. New Orleans is a VIOLENT city. So is Chicago. So is Detroit. So is Philly. So is D.C. Do you see any trend here? I'll give you a hint: The last GOP mayor of Philly was in 1952. The last GOP mayor of Chicago was in 1931. The last GOP mayor in Detroit was in 1962. The last GOP mayor of New Orleans was in 1872.

Don't look to the NRA as a scapegoat. The NRA is about personal responsibility and law. If you want to change gun violence in America's cities, think about changing the leadership.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Lets see if you are opposed to the NRA view of guns and their view of the second amendment you are anti-American. But its only the democrats and liberals that call people anti-American.

Lets use the NRA argument that more guns = less gun violence. So How does the NRA explain that Americans own more weapons than anytime in the history of the country and yet gun violence is going up not down.

It would be nice if we could have a reasonable discussion on guns and the second amendment and maybe work toward solutions that were good for America. The second amendment should be protected, but the second amendment does not guarantee you the right to own any and all guns you choose.

Have we become a country where there is no respect for differing viewpoints and no willingness to find common ground that will be best for the country?

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Fred44

According to FBI statistics, gun violence has been going down since 2006. I know you don't believe me, so go look it up.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

For everyone on either side of the gun control issue: It's too late to do anything about it. That bullet has already been fired, or in other metephors, that fire engine has already left the station; that water is under the bridge; that train has left the station; that aircraft is "wheels up" in the air; etc.

wwookie
Payson, UT

When they catch the assassins, they will go to a prison tax payers spent tens of millions on to build and operate and will live a life of relative ease.

Human rights activists always get their way.

wwookie
Payson, UT

HS fan,
What kind of fact is that? 5 times more likely than what? More likely than a meteor killing you?

If anyone is serious about a discussion, then don't run from the facts if they don't support your view. Our leadership in government at all levels are a poor example of how civilization needs to work in that regard. We are in a decline just as the Romans, Turks, Mongols, chins, etc.

We are too lazy, irrational and political and we won't be the "leader of the free world" in the next century unless we as a people change and hold our government responsible as well.

...now, getting off the soap box.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Until you start REALLY punishing criminals it won't matter whether it's gun, pressure cookers or fertilizer. You have to treat the source, not the tool to get results.

Meadow Lark Mark
IDAHO FALLS, ID

I agree with many of you. The guns are not the problem. The problem is the heart of the people who are using the guns. Change the heart of the people using the guns and you solve the problem of gun violence. I like the point made earlier that the people using the guns could have been criminals who could not have purchased a gun legally. Change the heart of the person and you solve the problem. As a society we need to stop the hate, and start truly loving each other. This includes all the attorneys that want many of us to sue the life out of each other. Or again maybe it is the people who are so anxious to keep the attorneys in business. Stop the hate. I know that I deviated from the gun argument. Thank you for permitting me to deviate.

Beverly
Eden, UT

The Second Amendment was a good idea when our Country had mussel loaders and over 50% of our citizens living on farms and ranches. Now, with 310 million people and less than 2% residing on farms and ranches, armed with AK-47s, and crowded into large cities, the Second Amendment - like slavery, women's right, and prohibition - is outdated.

peacemaker
Provo, UT

The shooting was obviously perpetrated by criminals, not law abiding citizens. Criminals will always have guns. How can we defend against them?

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

@ Fred and others- You can have your own opinions, but the facts prove you wrong.

From the recent federal Bureau of Justice Statistics report "Firearm Violence 1993-2013" (not something the NRA did!) the following quotes are important to consider:

"Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011."

"In 2010, the rate of firearm homicide for blacks was 14.6 per 100,000, compared to 1.9 for whites, 2.7 for American Indians and Alaska Natives, and 1.0 for Asians and Pacific Islanders"

I cite this latter BJS statement not to imply there is a racial causation factor, but to highlight the fact that there is a huge difference in correlation with different races. Others can try to figure out if it is related to differences in family structure, education, living environment, entertainment choices, incarceration rates, or even political beliefs.

Clearly, New Orleans is a complex cesspool, and has lots of problems to fix, most of which existed before Katrina, and the violence there is only part of the problem.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

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