ParkCityAggie,Are you suggesting that what happened at Benghazi is
not a big deal at all? Are you suggesting that Benghazi doesn't matter
because Bush declared war on Iraq? So I guess Benghazi is Bush's fault,
isn't it?You ask where the outrage is over the Iraq war.
I'm presuming that with that question you are either 10 years old or
younger or else you are misinformed because there was plenty of outrage over the
war. Also, there is still evidence that Iraq did have WMDs, so your "Iraq
happened so Obama can get away with any lying" argument holds even less
There are only two differences between this and Watergate: 1. 4 american died
2. The press did their job and worked hard to get the truth out and not bury it
or ignore it. For those who say this is political mud slinging did they say the
same about Watergate and the Iran- Contra, probably not. The beauty of this
government is that the party out of power will work to expose the wrong doing of
the other party. This is has been happening since the days of the Federalists
and Democartic-Republicans and this is what has made our country strong.
The Angry, Rich Old White Man Party---earning the love and respect of
minorities, young people and potential voters with every move.
"...GOP ready to push Benghazi case into 2014, and Womens rights back to the
1950's"Benghazi is and always has been faux out-rage by the
right-wing; Americans didn't buy it before the 2012 election either, what
makes rich old men party think Americans will change their minds in the future?
We invaded a country and lost upwards of 4,480 brave Men and Women based on
dubious and false information, and yet where is the outrage there? Three deaths
in Libya is a tragedy, 4,000 US deths in Iraq is just a statisic right? Sad,
I realized that I was assuming you know about Hillary’s lies regarding
Benghazi. But you probably don’t, since you feel that she is still
qualified to be the POTUS.Hicks testified that he spoke directly to
Clinton as the attacks started. He never said anything about a demonstration.
HC lied every time she said the attack was because of a video. This
includes lying, face to face, to the bereaved families, over the coffins of
their loved ones. She and Obama spent $70,000 on ads to air in
Pakistan denouncing the video. The State Department (that she heads)
lied when they said they played no role in the changing of the talking points.
She lied when she said that security cuts did not come to her
attention. Documents showed they were approved at the highest level in the State
Department. She either lied or is incompetent. She lied when she
said her now-famous “What difference does it make?” whether it was a
planned terrorist attack or a spontaneous attack based on a video. She knew all
along it wasn’t spontaneous nor about a video.Please, please
Furry1993, meet Hillary Clinton and her lies:Chelsea was jogging
around the WTC on 9/11/2001. She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.
She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. Misrepresented her
record opposing the Iraq War and her role in the Irish Peace Accord.Lied about supporting NAFTA and her role in passing the Family/Medical Leave
Act.Lied that Bill was innocent about Monica and it was a
“vast right-wing conspiracy” Her biggest: Watergate
scandal. “'A lifelong Democrat, Mr. Zeifman supervised the work of
27-year-old Hillary Rodham…When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired
Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of
recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious
distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.”Why? "Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in an interview last week.
“She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the
Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules
of confidentiality.”These lies and more (with more details)
are confirmed with a simple internet search. Not enough words are available
@Counter Intelligence 9:02 a.m.How do you do, Your Majesty . . . you
did introduce yourself as Queen Eliabeth, didn't you?Yes,
I'm a long-term Republican. I'm just not one of the radical far right
fringe-dweller extremists who hijacked my party to the far right fringes in the
1990s. I've stayed with the Party despite its current miasma because I
agree with the feeling expressed by Senator Carl Schurz (R-Missouri, 1869-1875)
who said "My country, right or wrong. When right, keep it right; when
wrong, put it right." Both my country and my party went astray when the
Republican Party was hijacked to the far right; I'm hoping that I and those
like me csn put my country and Party back where it should be.The ony
Clintonian lying that I am aware of was done by President W.J. Clinton. Perhaps
H.R. Clinton lied -- anything is possible -- but an unbiased examination of the
record at this point doesn't disclose that. And, then, I'm not
politically invested in keeping her from running for President because nobody on
the Repubican side at this point could beat her. I'm waiting for more
@ Ralph. Watergate was the real nothing-burger but because it was a REPUBLICAN
problem, it was front page news everyday, even though no one died. A President
resigned in disgrace even though no one died. People went to prison, even though
no one died. The only thing that makes Benghazi a "nothing burger" is
that now its a Democrat problem and they refuse to eat their lunch and yes,
Hutterite So any opinion other than yours is "frothing" and your own
extremism is not? What is that foam around your post?Raph - Lying to
America after people died merely to save Obama/Hillary/left-wing's
immediate politcal problem is a nothign-burger? I dont share your prioritiesMark B - No one died at Watergate. So Benghazi is worseAtl134 -
Democrats did not passs a budget for 4 years and Patty Murry's 2013 Senate
budget is a joke that was "shamed" into being and will not be
implimented; so you are arguing semanticsFurry - If you are a longstanding
Repuplican, then I must be Queen Elizabeth - perhaps instead of blaming
Republicans for noticing the Clintonian pattern of lying - perhaps you should
actually blame Clinton for lyingThank you all for proving exactly
why no one should trust the Obama administration or its groupies and Bengahzi
should be investigated fully and Hillary is unfit for office
I have no idea what happened in Benghazi, or afterwards, but if the right wing
media says that Obama lied or did something horrible, then I'm sure
that's what happened.What was it again that was supposed to
have happened?Something something talking points? Oh yeah, the
talking points.Benghazi nothin-burger. Enjoy your
United we stand, divided we fall.
From someone who was around and paying attention during the period we sometimes
refer to as "Watergate": There is almost no comparison between what
happened last year in Libya and Watergate. If you think the two are similar,
please go back to the history books to get some idea of how big a deal Watergate
actually was. I am not trying to minimize mistakes that led to deaths last year.
In fact, we still suffer from Watergate.
This issue won't win any converts,but will keep the enraged frothing.
Cougsndawgs~The source is Think Progress, a George Soros website.
They praised Hicks until his testimony didn't support Obama. Their first
article was titled “GOP Star Witnesses Debunk Right -Wing Benghazi
Conspiracy Theories” on Wednesday. Then they ran “Embassy Staff
Undercut Whistleblower Testimony on Benghazi” yesterday. Lisa
Meyers of NBC News said, “…I got calls from a number of Democrats
yesterday trying to undermine Greg Hicks’s testimony, saying he
wasn’t demoted, etc. So I think they feel that some damage was done by
those three witnesses on Wednesday."Foreign Policy Magazine:
“Hicks has a distinguished record of service in six overseas assignments
in Bahrain, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, and Gambia. He has received six
Meritorious Service Increases, three individual Meritorious Honor Awards, and
four individual Superior Honor Awards.” I will take the word
of these men under oath anytime over that of an anonymous source in the Obama
administration. Who actually believes that Obama doesn’t
retaliate against those who disagree with him, especially now with the IRS and
Tea Party revelations? Everyone and their dog knew this was coming. Welcome to
Chicago thug politics.
I don't want an administration that tries to deceive the American people.
It's not enough for impeachment, but a warning against giving Obama control
of the house and senate in 2014.The AP has lost it's
journalistic integrity. They no longer report the news, but give a very one
Some people accuse the Republicans of just playing politics with these hearings.
Wasn't it just as political for the Democrats to have their hearings on
Watergate, Iran/Contra? Of course it was, but what really caused the Benghazi
problem was when Obama and Clinton played politics in trying to cover up the
truth about what really happened in Libya. If they had been straight up from
the beginning, and condemned it as a terriorist attack, and said they would get
the ones who did it, Obama would still be President and most people would not
even remember much about Benghazi. Why did they do it? It seems like every
President makes this kind of mistake sooner or later, and apparantly Obama is no
different. So he will have to accept the consequences of a diminished
Presidency. And it probably ends Hillarys ambitions too.
@TruthseekerI appreciate the information, but the timing of his guidance
"to be a better leader" seems very convenient. Everything you have said
may be true but it seems pretty fishy that he's getting his guidance
shortly after his whistle blowing. I would also appreciate your sources please,
I would like to read both sides of it, until then forgive me if the timing
doesn't make me (and many others) suspicious.
"...GOP ready to push Benghazi case into 2014, beyond...".The GOP told voters that it was all going to be about jobs...
"The same employees also told Thinkprogress of several troubling incidents
involving Hicks and the staff at the Tripoli Embassy both before and after the
September 11, 2012 assault in Benghazi. During the aftermath of Benghazi, Hicks
showed a lack of diplomatic protocol that both staffers found extremely
questionable given the tense times. This includes going to a meeting with the
Libyan Prime Minister Mohammed Magarief in a t-shirt, cargo pants, and baseball
cap. “I’m too upset to wear a suit,” Hicks allegedly told a
staffer. “I want the Libyans to know how upset I am about this
attack.”The State Department attempted to chart a middle path
on Hicks, seeking to neither give credence to his claims of retribution nor
portray him as lacking as a leader."
Re:CougsndawgsA meeting between Acting Assistant Secretary of State
for Near Eastern Affairs Beth Jones and Hicks took place in Tripoli prior to his
removal from Libya, but not under the same circumstances Hicks sought to
portray. Counter to Hicks’ story of an unwarranted reassignment, the staff
was upset with Hicks’ performance since he was first assigned to Tripoli
on July 31, and told Jones as much prior to her meeting with Hicks.“[Jones] and her aide had one-on-one meetings with us to see if [Hicks]
could be guided into being a better leader,” a State Department employee
reported.. “Literally every single one of us begged for him to be removed
from post,” said the employee.He was removed from here because
he was a disaster as a manager,” the second employee went on to say,
expressing the belief that Hicks’ reassignment had “nothing to do
with him being a whistleblower, it had everything to do with his management
capacity or lack thereof.”
The liberals just couldn't get enough of Bain Capital in the last election.
If that was a measure of Romney, Benghazi is a measure of Clinton. Don't
worry Dems, during the campaign Bill Clinton will have a very plausible, but
fabricated (Excuse me, "stylistic.") explanation and he may even shed a
Furry1993:This isn't politics, but ethics. Either we were lied
to, or not. Either lives could have been saved, or not. There are no excuses.
Whether Democrat, or Republican, our leaders need to come clean with the
American people.How is it the British got their people out safely,
and not us?
Furry1993 your comment -their disregard of, andd disdain for, anyone who is not
affluent- is not representative of the affluent conservative world I live in.I and many of my affluent friends spend on average 20 hours plus a week
in the homes of poverty stricken refugees, undocumented Americans , and folks
with all kinds of addictions. We take them to job interviews, hospitals, and
schools in our Lincolns, Escalades, and Hummers. We eat in their homes and play
with their kids. They are thankful kind generous people. We love them. They love
us. They never ask us for money. They are grateful for the opportunities that
our mentoring provides them.I encourage you to contact Catholic
Community Services, LDS Social services, The Asian Association of Utah, and
Refugee immigrant Services of Utah and find an opportunity to work along side
the affluent,the poor,and just other regular folks in helping others. If you can
set aside just one hour a week your work will be appreciated and no one you work
with will disdain you. They will love you.
I don't like cover ups but while were on this Benghazi thing can we also go
after Dick Chenny and company for destabilizing the whole middle east with the
war in Iraq? The only weapon of mass destruction turned out to be Chenny's
Once again, the AP writes yet another puff piece for the far left. If the
requested documents were provided and showed that those who were on the seen
were lying, then it would be over now. Just like in the "Fast and
furious" scandal the administration thumbs their nose and the press covers
for their man.IS there anything this president could do that he
would actually get called on? The crap he has gotten away with now is worse
than anything Nixon did. Only Nixon didn't withhold resources that allowed
people to die so his campaign wouldn't get distrupted.Why
didn't he step forward and show us some tenacity in handling the Benghazi
situation, you know, like act like a president? At best how can anyone possibly
think he did anything beyond punt. He went to bed and then hopped his plane to
a fund raiser. That is all he knows how to do.
I wish the Republicans would stop trying to pin Benghazi on Hilary and I wish
the Democrats would stop saying what caused Benghazi does not matter. I hope brave "whistle blowers" will continue to come forward so all
Americans will know why we were told a film caused the murders of Americans
while the source of that fiction knew that was not the case.
Only Republican politicians should be held accountable for their misfeasance,
not the Democrats! When Republican crooks and liars are investigated, "its
to get to the truth." If Democrat crooks and liars are questioned, it a
Blame Bush continues from the left.It surfaces any time anyone is critical
of Obama or his administration.They have created a machine that
immediately blames the GOP with no regard for content.I'd say
standing down to protect your political image while Americans are dying is
pretty serious. Then again, that's just my far-rightwing nut job way of
looking at things, eh Furry?
Republicans joined with Democrats in forcing Nixon to resign. The difference I
see here is that the Democrats have a double standard. If it's one of their
own lying, then look the other way. What a bunch of hypocrites.
@Riverton Cougar"When's the last time they passed a budget?
"Somewhere around March 23rd of this year.
And now we find out Greg Hicks was demoted. His attorney states he was given a
choice of no job or reassignment to a lesser position. Why Obama? If you have
nothing to hide and your administration did nothing wrong, why punish Hicks?
Because he's lying? Maybe, but I don't see what his motive would be.
Whereas we can all see what your motive would be.
It also cracks me up looking back on Obama promising his administration would be
the most transparent ever, and now the irony of his party all up in arms because
republicans are asking them to be transparent and forthcoming with emails and
What, hold our government leaders accountable? What world are you living in
Riverton Cougar? Did you miss the memo about president Obama being exempt from
being investigated or scrutinized for his mistakes, or political motives? You
and I both know Obama had nothing to do with telling soldiers to stand down. You
and I both know Obama knew it was a terrorist attack and acted in good honest
conscience with no political motives during September of an election year. Stop
trying to sling mud and dig up things that "don't make any difference
now". How dare you? The idea that Obama is innocent and is an
honest man, just because he says so, and liberals take that spoonful of garbage
without question has never ceased to amaze me. I'm a conservative and I
certainly question Bush's motives in the Middle East, and don't
believe for a second that he was always honest and never sought to cover things
up. Grow up dems and realize that Obama may have actually lied and covered
something up. Stop acting as if it's inconceivable or "doesn't
make any difference now".
How dare those Republicans try to hold Savior Obama and his administration
accountable for their actions? How dare they try to find out why Obama told
those soldiers to stand down while fellow Americans were being attacked by
terrorists?Furry1993,What's more dishonest, trying
to cover up this whole Benghazi scandal or trying to find out WHY they tried to
cover it up?atl134,It's not like the Democrats are
working to try to fix the economy or anything. When's the last time they
passed a budget? And if you think Obamacare is going to help the economy,
you're going to be in for a big surprise.
Well it's not like they were working on anything else anyway other than
their 40th healthcare bill repeal.
The radical far right extremists (they really aren't truly
"conservative") are slinging mud and playing politics because they know
they can't sway the majority of the voters based on the (very lacking)
nature of their positions and arguments and their disregard of, andd disdain
for, anyone who is not affluent. They think that if they sling enough mud, some
of it may stick and may divert enough attention away from their deficiencies
that they might eke out a few wins. They're really trying to sling mud at
Secretary Clinton because they have nobody who could defeat her, should she
decide to run for President. Being a Republican of long standing (back to the
1970s), I really find their strategies and actions embarrassing and very
dishonest. The country, its citizens (and the Republican Party) really deserve