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  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 13, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    ParkCityAggie,

    Are you suggesting that what happened at Benghazi is not a big deal at all? Are you suggesting that Benghazi doesn't matter because Bush declared war on Iraq? So I guess Benghazi is Bush's fault, isn't it?

    You ask where the outrage is over the Iraq war. I'm presuming that with that question you are either 10 years old or younger or else you are misinformed because there was plenty of outrage over the war. Also, there is still evidence that Iraq did have WMDs, so your "Iraq happened so Obama can get away with any lying" argument holds even less water.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    May 13, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    There are only two differences between this and Watergate: 1. 4 american died 2. The press did their job and worked hard to get the truth out and not bury it or ignore it. For those who say this is political mud slinging did they say the same about Watergate and the Iran- Contra, probably not. The beauty of this government is that the party out of power will work to expose the wrong doing of the other party. This is has been happening since the days of the Federalists and Democartic-Republicans and this is what has made our country strong.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    May 13, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    The Angry, Rich Old White Man Party---earning the love and respect of minorities, young people and potential voters with every move.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    May 12, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    "...GOP ready to push Benghazi case into 2014, and Womens rights back to the 1950's"

    Benghazi is and always has been faux out-rage by the right-wing; Americans didn't buy it before the 2012 election either, what makes rich old men party think Americans will change their minds in the future? We invaded a country and lost upwards of 4,480 brave Men and Women based on dubious and false information, and yet where is the outrage there? Three deaths in Libya is a tragedy, 4,000 US deths in Iraq is just a statisic right? Sad, very sad.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    May 12, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    I realized that I was assuming you know about Hillary’s lies regarding Benghazi. But you probably don’t, since you feel that she is still qualified to be the POTUS.

    Hicks testified that he spoke directly to Clinton as the attacks started. He never said anything about a demonstration.

    HC lied every time she said the attack was because of a video. This includes lying, face to face, to the bereaved families, over the coffins of their loved ones.

    She and Obama spent $70,000 on ads to air in Pakistan denouncing the video.

    The State Department (that she heads) lied when they said they played no role in the changing of the talking points.

    She lied when she said that security cuts did not come to her attention. Documents showed they were approved at the highest level in the State Department. She either lied or is incompetent.

    She lied when she said her now-famous “What difference does it make?” whether it was a planned terrorist attack or a spontaneous attack based on a video. She knew all along it wasn’t spontaneous nor about a video.

    Please, please nominate her!

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    May 12, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    Furry1993, meet Hillary Clinton and her lies:

    Chelsea was jogging around the WTC on 9/11/2001.

    She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.

    She was under sniper fire in Bosnia.

    Misrepresented her record opposing the Iraq War and her role in the Irish Peace Accord.

    Lied about supporting NAFTA and her role in passing the Family/Medical Leave Act.

    Lied that Bill was innocent about Monica and it was a “vast right-wing conspiracy”

    Her biggest: Watergate scandal. “'A lifelong Democrat, Mr. Zeifman supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham…When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.”
    Why?
    "Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

    These lies and more (with more details) are confirmed with a simple internet search. Not enough words are available here.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 12, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    @Counter Intelligence 9:02 a.m.

    How do you do, Your Majesty . . . you did introduce yourself as Queen Eliabeth, didn't you?

    Yes, I'm a long-term Republican. I'm just not one of the radical far right fringe-dweller extremists who hijacked my party to the far right fringes in the 1990s. I've stayed with the Party despite its current miasma because I agree with the feeling expressed by Senator Carl Schurz (R-Missouri, 1869-1875) who said "My country, right or wrong. When right, keep it right; when wrong, put it right." Both my country and my party went astray when the Republican Party was hijacked to the far right; I'm hoping that I and those like me csn put my country and Party back where it should be.

    The ony Clintonian lying that I am aware of was done by President W.J. Clinton. Perhaps H.R. Clinton lied -- anything is possible -- but an unbiased examination of the record at this point doesn't disclose that. And, then, I'm not politically invested in keeping her from running for President because nobody on the Repubican side at this point could beat her. I'm waiting for more evidence.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 12, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    @ Ralph. Watergate was the real nothing-burger but because it was a REPUBLICAN problem, it was front page news everyday, even though no one died. A President resigned in disgrace even though no one died. People went to prison, even though no one died. The only thing that makes Benghazi a "nothing burger" is that now its a Democrat problem and they refuse to eat their lunch and yes, people died!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Hutterite So any opinion other than yours is "frothing" and your own extremism is not? What is that foam around your post?
    Raph - Lying to America after people died merely to save Obama/Hillary/left-wing's immediate politcal problem is a nothign-burger? I dont share your priorities
    Mark B - No one died at Watergate. So Benghazi is worse
    Atl134 - Democrats did not passs a budget for 4 years and Patty Murry's 2013 Senate budget is a joke that was "shamed" into being and will not be implimented; so you are arguing semantics
    Furry - If you are a longstanding Repuplican, then I must be Queen Elizabeth - perhaps instead of blaming Republicans for noticing the Clintonian pattern of lying - perhaps you should actually blame Clinton for lying

    Thank you all for proving exactly why no one should trust the Obama administration or its groupies and Bengahzi should be investigated fully and Hillary is unfit for office

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2013 11:49 p.m.

    I have no idea what happened in Benghazi, or afterwards, but if the right wing media says that Obama lied or did something horrible, then I'm sure that's what happened.

    What was it again that was supposed to have happened?

    Something something talking points? Oh yeah, the talking points.

    Benghazi nothin-burger.

    Enjoy your lunch.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2013 10:12 p.m.

    United we stand, divided we fall.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 11, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    From someone who was around and paying attention during the period we sometimes refer to as "Watergate": There is almost no comparison between what happened last year in Libya and Watergate. If you think the two are similar, please go back to the history books to get some idea of how big a deal Watergate actually was. I am not trying to minimize mistakes that led to deaths last year. In fact, we still suffer from Watergate.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 11, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    This issue won't win any converts,but will keep the enraged frothing.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    May 11, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs~

    The source is Think Progress, a George Soros website. They praised Hicks until his testimony didn't support Obama. Their first article was titled “GOP Star Witnesses Debunk Right -Wing Benghazi Conspiracy Theories” on Wednesday. Then they ran “Embassy Staff Undercut Whistleblower Testimony on Benghazi” yesterday.

    Lisa Meyers of NBC News said, “…I got calls from a number of Democrats yesterday trying to undermine Greg Hicks’s testimony, saying he wasn’t demoted, etc. So I think they feel that some damage was done by those three witnesses on Wednesday."

    Foreign Policy Magazine: “Hicks has a distinguished record of service in six overseas assignments in Bahrain, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, and Gambia. He has received six Meritorious Service Increases, three individual Meritorious Honor Awards, and four individual Superior Honor Awards.”

    I will take the word of these men under oath anytime over that of an anonymous source in the Obama administration.

    Who actually believes that Obama doesn’t retaliate against those who disagree with him, especially now with the IRS and Tea Party revelations? Everyone and their dog knew this was coming. Welcome to Chicago thug politics.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    May 11, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    I don't want an administration that tries to deceive the American people. It's not enough for impeachment, but a warning against giving Obama control of the house and senate in 2014.

    The AP has lost it's journalistic integrity. They no longer report the news, but give a very one sidded opinion.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    May 11, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    Some people accuse the Republicans of just playing politics with these hearings. Wasn't it just as political for the Democrats to have their hearings on Watergate, Iran/Contra? Of course it was, but what really caused the Benghazi problem was when Obama and Clinton played politics in trying to cover up the truth about what really happened in Libya. If they had been straight up from the beginning, and condemned it as a terriorist attack, and said they would get the ones who did it, Obama would still be President and most people would not even remember much about Benghazi. Why did they do it? It seems like every President makes this kind of mistake sooner or later, and apparantly Obama is no different. So he will have to accept the consequences of a diminished Presidency. And it probably ends Hillarys ambitions too.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 11, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    @Truthseeker
    I appreciate the information, but the timing of his guidance "to be a better leader" seems very convenient. Everything you have said may be true but it seems pretty fishy that he's getting his guidance shortly after his whistle blowing. I would also appreciate your sources please, I would like to read both sides of it, until then forgive me if the timing doesn't make me (and many others) suspicious.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    May 11, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    "...GOP ready to push Benghazi case into 2014, beyond...".

    The GOP told voters that it was all going to be about jobs...

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 11, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    "The same employees also told Thinkprogress of several troubling incidents involving Hicks and the staff at the Tripoli Embassy both before and after the September 11, 2012 assault in Benghazi. During the aftermath of Benghazi, Hicks showed a lack of diplomatic protocol that both staffers found extremely questionable given the tense times. This includes going to a meeting with the Libyan Prime Minister Mohammed Magarief in a t-shirt, cargo pants, and baseball cap. “I’m too upset to wear a suit,” Hicks allegedly told a staffer. “I want the Libyans to know how upset I am about this attack.”

    The State Department attempted to chart a middle path on Hicks, seeking to neither give credence to his claims of retribution nor portray him as lacking as a leader."

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 11, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Re:Cougsndawgs

    A meeting between Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Beth Jones and Hicks took place in Tripoli prior to his removal from Libya, but not under the same circumstances Hicks sought to portray. Counter to Hicks’ story of an unwarranted reassignment, the staff was upset with Hicks’ performance since he was first assigned to Tripoli on July 31, and told Jones as much prior to her meeting with Hicks.
    “[Jones] and her aide had one-on-one meetings with us to see if [Hicks] could be guided into being a better leader,” a State Department employee reported.. “Literally every single one of us begged for him to be removed from post,” said the employee.

    He was removed from here because he was a disaster as a manager,” the second employee went on to say, expressing the belief that Hicks’ reassignment had “nothing to do with him being a whistleblower, it had everything to do with his management capacity or lack thereof.”

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    The liberals just couldn't get enough of Bain Capital in the last election. If that was a measure of Romney, Benghazi is a measure of Clinton. Don't worry Dems, during the campaign Bill Clinton will have a very plausible, but fabricated (Excuse me, "stylistic.") explanation and he may even shed a tear.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 11, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    Furry1993:

    This isn't politics, but ethics. Either we were lied to, or not. Either lives could have been saved, or not. There are no excuses. Whether Democrat, or Republican, our leaders need to come clean with the American people.

    How is it the British got their people out safely, and not us?

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    May 11, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Furry1993 your comment -their disregard of, andd disdain for, anyone who is not affluent- is not representative of the affluent conservative world I live in.

    I and many of my affluent friends spend on average 20 hours plus a week in the homes of poverty stricken refugees, undocumented Americans , and folks with all kinds of addictions. We take them to job interviews, hospitals, and schools in our Lincolns, Escalades, and Hummers. We eat in their homes and play with their kids. They are thankful kind generous people. We love them. They love us. They never ask us for money. They are grateful for the opportunities that our mentoring provides them.

    I encourage you to contact Catholic Community Services, LDS Social services, The Asian Association of Utah, and Refugee immigrant Services of Utah and find an opportunity to work along side the affluent,the poor,and just other regular folks in helping others. If you can set aside just one hour a week your work will be appreciated and no one you work with will disdain you. They will love you.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    May 11, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    I don't like cover ups but while were on this Benghazi thing can we also go after Dick Chenny and company for destabilizing the whole middle east with the war in Iraq? The only weapon of mass destruction turned out to be Chenny's bad idea.

  • MiddleRight Orem, UT
    May 11, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Once again, the AP writes yet another puff piece for the far left. If the requested documents were provided and showed that those who were on the seen were lying, then it would be over now. Just like in the "Fast and furious" scandal the administration thumbs their nose and the press covers for their man.

    IS there anything this president could do that he would actually get called on? The crap he has gotten away with now is worse than anything Nixon did. Only Nixon didn't withhold resources that allowed people to die so his campaign wouldn't get distrupted.

    Why didn't he step forward and show us some tenacity in handling the Benghazi situation, you know, like act like a president? At best how can anyone possibly think he did anything beyond punt. He went to bed and then hopped his plane to a fund raiser. That is all he knows how to do.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    May 11, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    I wish the Republicans would stop trying to pin Benghazi on Hilary and I wish the Democrats would stop saying what caused Benghazi does not matter.

    I hope brave "whistle blowers" will continue to come forward so all Americans will know why we were told a film caused the murders of Americans while the source of that fiction knew that was not the case.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 11, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    Only Republican politicians should be held accountable for their misfeasance, not the Democrats! When Republican crooks and liars are investigated, "its to get to the truth." If Democrat crooks and liars are questioned, it a "witch hunt".

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 11, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Blame Bush continues from the left.
    It surfaces any time anyone is critical of Obama or his administration.
    They have created a machine that immediately blames the GOP with no regard for content.
    I'd say standing down to protect your political image while Americans are dying is pretty serious. Then again, that's just my far-rightwing nut job way of looking at things, eh Furry?

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    May 11, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Republicans joined with Democrats in forcing Nixon to resign. The difference I see here is that the Democrats have a double standard. If it's one of their own lying, then look the other way. What a bunch of hypocrites.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar
    "When's the last time they passed a budget? "

    Somewhere around March 23rd of this year.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 11, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    And now we find out Greg Hicks was demoted. His attorney states he was given a choice of no job or reassignment to a lesser position. Why Obama? If you have nothing to hide and your administration did nothing wrong, why punish Hicks? Because he's lying? Maybe, but I don't see what his motive would be. Whereas we can all see what your motive would be.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 11, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    It also cracks me up looking back on Obama promising his administration would be the most transparent ever, and now the irony of his party all up in arms because republicans are asking them to be transparent and forthcoming with emails and information.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 11, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    What, hold our government leaders accountable? What world are you living in Riverton Cougar? Did you miss the memo about president Obama being exempt from being investigated or scrutinized for his mistakes, or political motives? You and I both know Obama had nothing to do with telling soldiers to stand down. You and I both know Obama knew it was a terrorist attack and acted in good honest conscience with no political motives during September of an election year. Stop trying to sling mud and dig up things that "don't make any difference now". How dare you?

    The idea that Obama is innocent and is an honest man, just because he says so, and liberals take that spoonful of garbage without question has never ceased to amaze me. I'm a conservative and I certainly question Bush's motives in the Middle East, and don't believe for a second that he was always honest and never sought to cover things up. Grow up dems and realize that Obama may have actually lied and covered something up. Stop acting as if it's inconceivable or "doesn't make any difference now".

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 11, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    How dare those Republicans try to hold Savior Obama and his administration accountable for their actions? How dare they try to find out why Obama told those soldiers to stand down while fellow Americans were being attacked by terrorists?

    Furry1993,

    What's more dishonest, trying to cover up this whole Benghazi scandal or trying to find out WHY they tried to cover it up?

    atl134,

    It's not like the Democrats are working to try to fix the economy or anything. When's the last time they passed a budget? And if you think Obamacare is going to help the economy, you're going to be in for a big surprise.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Well it's not like they were working on anything else anyway other than their 40th healthcare bill repeal.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 11, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    The radical far right extremists (they really aren't truly "conservative") are slinging mud and playing politics because they know they can't sway the majority of the voters based on the (very lacking) nature of their positions and arguments and their disregard of, andd disdain for, anyone who is not affluent. They think that if they sling enough mud, some of it may stick and may divert enough attention away from their deficiencies that they might eke out a few wins. They're really trying to sling mud at Secretary Clinton because they have nobody who could defeat her, should she decide to run for President. Being a Republican of long standing (back to the 1970s), I really find their strategies and actions embarrassing and very dishonest. The country, its citizens (and the Republican Party) really deserve better.