@Happy Valley HereticBlame anyone but Obama. Shoot the messenger, Fox
News, and ignore the facts. Are you prepping for Jay Carney's job?
George and atl134,I was afraid someone would accuse me of calling
Obama a native-born Kenyan. However, there exists such a thing called a
hypothetical, often triggered by the word "if". Please feel free to
search my posts for phrases such as "if ... were to ...." or other
similar examples. That is a hypothetical. I were just saying that if Obama were
to (hypothetically) confess some serious crime or something similar, the liberal
media and low-information voters wouldn't care at all. Are you with me on
this?"Heh, besides, there are conservatives arguing that Ted
Cruz (born in Canada) can run for President because he had/has an American
parent (same logic as George Romney I suppose). If he can run then it
wouldn't even matter if Obama were born in Kenya."However,
on the contrary, if Democrats say he can't run, then it matters quite a bit
if Obama were born in Kenya.
How refreshing, if our political leaders would come clean with the public. Just
tell the truth.
Maybe this would go away if a few questions were answered, since it was known
all along that it was a terrorist attack and not about a video. 1.
Why did Obama go to the U.N. on September 24 and blame it on the video?2. Why did Hillary Clinton look straight into the faces of the families, over
their loved ones' coffins, and blame the attack on a video?3.
Why was $70,000 of taxpayer money spent in Pakistan to apologize for the
video?4. Why was the video excuse ever used, when it was a
“non-issue in Libya”?4. Who ordered the troops to stand
down? 5. Why was there an off-the-record Benghazi briefing today at
the WH?6. Why is the MSM interested now?7. What was
Obama doing all night?How anyone can definitively say this
isn't a cover-up without an investigation?Truthseeker2-the fact
that the WH contributed to the talking points at all proves they knew about the
deletions and went along with the lie. That's the point-not what blame the
CIA or State Department gets. We may have some CIA leaks now, though.
We know whose fault it was.....Obama wouldn't lie to us like Clinton did?
....hahhahaha,Obama said "it's Bushes fault"! Impeach Obama!
The various edits/changes of the Benghazi talking points are available on-line
via ABC news. Republicans can knock themselves out trying to make
this into some huge conspiracy if they want and their minions will follow their
lead. Most Americans see it for what it is--Republicans looking for a
conspiracy where there isn't one in an attempt to discredit Clinton and
Democrats. re:RGUN Weapons Inspectors went back into Iraq
after the war resolution vote. Those of us who subscribed and listened to
reliable, factual news sources were well aware the weapons inspectors
weren't finding any WMDs prior to the invasion. Even today, despite Bush
appointed inspectors--David Kay and later Charles Dulfeur reported Saddam had
not resurrected his WMD program after the early 90's and had destroyed most
all WMDs we still have Republicans believing Saddam had viable WMDs.
During this weeks after Benghazi, which had zero connection with the video,
awareness of the video thruout the Mideast was BOLSTERED BY the
Administration's persistent lie, spewed and amplified by the loyal media.
BO actually aired apology ads! "Hey, Pakistani! Here's something
you've never heard of, extremely offensive to you, made by America. Sorry.
Hey, maybe you should stage a protest."The Administration actually
made things MORE dangerous for our foreign diplomats in the Mideast by drawing
attention to the video that no one ever watched.But who did the media
skewer instead after Benghazi? Romney, who stood for freedom of speech. Romney,
who denounced the violence rather than denounce America. Romney, for
"playing politics with tragedy." The mainstream media absolutely
The is so disgusting.In the presidential debate, BO animately said,
"The suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary of State, our
UN Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've
lost four of our own, Governor, is offensive." What a liar. What a mocking
insult to the families of those who died.The CIA's assessment was
dead on. The truth was suppressed to protect the State Dept's failure and
BO's election chances.What coincidence, that just as hearings were
scheduled, news of Petraeus' sordid affair became public, forcing him to
resign, delaying his testimony.What coincidence, that Hillary had a
migraine and could not testify until after the election.They pushed the
video crap for weeks.
So basically the Bush administration lies about WMDs in Iraq to lead us into a
war on false pretenses which ends up killing a couple thousand Americans but
that's no big deal to conservatives.The Obama administration
botches the handling of a terrorist attack on a consulate while other embassies
and consulates were facing protests over a video and takes two weeks to get the
information straightened out in its public statements and this apparently to
conservatives is the greatest atrocity since sometime before Watergate.Yeah... tell ya what... I'll care more about Benghazi when we can
actually have a serious discussion about this and not a partisan attack because
Republicans don't like Hillary's approval rating.
Obama's adminstration outright LIED. (Dems chant "Bush lied, people
died" when referring to missing WMDs but even the dems believed that the
WMDs existed. Bush and the dems were perhaps mistaken about WMDs, or maybe they
really did exist, but at least it was an honest opinion. But about Obama's
lies, dems are strangely silent, and their media supporters were for months
until they could not no longer supress this story.) This isn't the only
Obama lie, but I think it is enough to impeach Obama for. Not only was there a
coverup, but an ambassador died, because of the administration's
incompetence. The nonFox media would have been all over this from day 1 if a GOP
president had done the same thing. Ditto for Fast and Furious.
Faux news is an arm of the Republi-Con party (See it's line-up of failed
presidential jokes) and is for entertainment purposes only, please do not use
for facts or references as it may make you look the fool...too.
Craig Clark - "If there were hard evidence of an Administration
cover-up...." That is exactly what this investigation is all about. They
have just begun. We may know the truth when the dust settles. However, "this
Administration" has covered up every disgusting, illegal, and planned act
they can. Don't believe the liberal media.
"the more it appears that political expediency was placed above adherence to
truth and above the safety of American citizens."You are putting the
cart before the horse. The act of terror happened happened and you cannot
change that fact. You can be upset with the State Department's description
of the act, but lives wouldn't have been saved by giving a straight forward
@Riverton CougarBirtherism? Really? Heh, besides, there are conservatives
arguing that Ted Cruz (born in Canada) can run for President because he had/has
an American parent (same logic as George Romney I suppose). If he can run then
it wouldn't even matter if Obama were born in Kenya.
" .... If there were hard evidence of an Administration cover-up,
Republicans would present it instead of making so much shrill noise about this
being a Watergate level scandal. "Hey Clark Kent - watch less
MSNBC (Obama's best buddy) and more FOX news (the only news outlet that
thoroughly covered the hearings)and you finally will get to the truth.
@riverton coug did you really just bring up his citizenship? what a great
example of why no one but the far right is taking these "investigations"
Unfortunately for the United States of America, even if Obama were to come out
and say he lied about everything and he shouldn't be President because
he's not a natural born citizen, the low-information voters and liberal
media would still back him up and nothing would change.
Jay Carney, the "White House Liar in Waiting" is now pointing a finger
to, guess who? Yes, ROMNEY! Yep, cannot blame Bush any more, now blame the next
convenient guy! A great time to be a Dumbocrat! By the way, the main, and
ONLY, reason for all the revisions is to cover BO's rear.
Tators:Unfortunately, some people still make excuses for the
commander. They will blame:* Republicans for a witch hunt.*
George Bush* Taking things out of context* Lack of evidencePeople are easily deceived.An example can be found in Austria,
where 98% voted Hitler as their leader.
Benghazi would have been the albatross around Obama's neck in the elections
if Romney's campaign people - and the Republicans - were effective and
competent in their task. Anyhow, for the so called "worst president in
history" (aka Barack Hussein Obama), I'll have to go to another
politician of long ago to get a sense of justice when he said "The evil that
men do lives after them." Hopefully sooner rather than later. And I beg
the Americans to remember this in 2016 IF Hillary Clinton runs; she is also one
of the kingpins - if not the main one - in the whole tragedy!
This whole mess reminds me so much of Watergate, except the effects are far more
deadly.The other things that I notice is that Nixon DID NOT have the
implied, if not tacit support of the media. The media were a little more
objective back then.The exception being Sharyl Atkisson of CBS!
She's been the mainstream standout in this incident.Boehner
suggested yesterday a select committee be formed to investigate the Benghazi
lies. I agree.The select committee would have subpoena powers and
be able to combine ALL the various investigations into one investigation, (as
opposed to the 8 committees that are working on it now).IF the Obama
administration really does have nothing to hide - they should welcome a total
and complete investigation.BTW - I would be curous to see if any of
the "minor" operatives get questioned. For instance,
radio/communications sargeants, duty officers, etc., enlisted people who are
paid NOT to lie, and aren't political "animals" at all.what did they know?
It was deemed a terrorist attack long before the election, Obama even reiterated
as much in the second debate and took responsibility for the failure.
There's really nothing new here. I suppose it's nice to see
Republicans actually devoted to something though, if only they cared that much
about their top priority which allegedly was jobs.
For the record: Victoria Nuland was a former aid to Dick Cheney and also served
in the Clinton administration.From ABC:"In an email dated
9/14/12 at 9:34 p.m. — three days after the attack and two days before
Ambassador Rice appeared on the Sunday shows –Deputy National Security
Advisor Ben Rhodes wrote an email saying the State Department’s concerns
needed to be addressed.“We must make sure that the talking
points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and
we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work
through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee
meeting.”After that meeting, which took place Saturday morning
at the White House, the CIA drafted the final version of the talking points
– deleting all references to al Qaeda and to the security warnings in
Benghazi prior to the attack."To summarize:The revision of
talking points was about "turf wars" between different agencies. Wow. Who would guess that? After an attack many miles away involving a
covert CIA presence, F.B.I and State Dept. things are messy?
If there were hard evidence of an Administration cover-up, Republicans would
present it instead of making so much shrill noise about this being a Watergate
level scandal. They are the ones who are now starting to look bad.
The longer Obama is in office, the more his and his administration's
shanagans are exposed. He is guilty of deceit even worse than any of the things
he accused Republicans of while he was a senator. Hypocrisy... pure and simple.
He initially promised to have the most open administration ever. Not even close.
Before everything plays out, his time in office will prove to me more deceitful
and secretive than Nixon was accused of. He mocked and accused Bush
of offering a budget with a $400b deficit that was sinister "for passing
such debt to future generations". Soon afterwards, in Obama's first
year as president, he created a deficit 3 times worse than what he criticized
Bush for. And it's never been under a $trillion per year since then. That
spells HYPOCRISY in capital letters.It's been shown that Eric
Holder, Obama's attorney general, lied about the administration's
involvement with selling weapons to Mexican drug lords... and with Obama's
knowledge.Now this Benghazi cover-up indicates that even more
deception is still happening and that Obama was willing to do whatever it took
to win the upcoming election, even with lives involved. Extremely sad!
From ABC"A source familiar with the White House emails on the
Benghazi talking point revisions say that Nuland was raising two concerns about
the CIA’s first version of talking points, which were going to be sent to
Congress. 1) The talking points went further than what she was allowed to say
about the attack during her state department briefings; and, 2) she believed the
CIA was attempting to exonerate itself at the State Department’s expense
by suggesting CIA warnings about the security situation were ignored."
Obama untruths:* During the Romney debate-- BO states-"there is
no cover up, and to bring it up is offensive".* Taxes will not go up a
single dime in any form.* I will cut the deficit in half in three
years.* Unemployment will go down.* I will bring the troops home in
six months.* Romney doesn't pay enough taxes. Wow! Obama paid 18% to
38% for Mitt. Hmm? Who made the most donations?Will Obama care be
affordable to all, and why are the Obama's exempt from it?
The more i read, as more information and testimony comes to light, the more it
appears that political expediency was placed above adherence to truth and above
the safety of American citizens. By failing to adequately protect our personnel
despite pleas for help and warnings of danger, then by inventing a false
storyline to coverup the truth (more accurately described as lying to the
public) the White House and State officials reveal their true character. Dance
how they may, the ultimate accountability rests with the President and the Sec
of State. Despite oft quoted words to the contrary by Clinton, this debacle
makes a huge difference- to the families and friends of the deceased, to all
concerned American citizens, to the trust we all wish we could have in
government. We deserve better. Those who died deserved better. Very sad.
With Bin Laden, that was a search and destroy mission since President
Clinton's time when Hillary was involved at a different level. In the
1990s she wasn't technically in charge of the State Department. Bin
Laden's search was proactive.The Benghazi situation was the 3
a.m. call that both Obama and Hillary had discussed in the 2008 campaign.
However, it actually happened but this time, the pants were down around the
knees. We weren't expecting it to "actually" happen even though
message traffic indicated there would be a problem and the Ambassador to Libya
knew it in August 2012. Elections-campaigning are too important.
If we didn't have immediate and actual communications with the Ambassador
when under attack but we did. He was going down with no support. To send the
Ambassador to Benghazi, the hotbed of terrorists without appropriate protection
in the first place was abhorrent. They have plans and procedures for covert and
overt operations. They were in hostile territory in Libya and in openly hostile
territory in Benghazi. The CIA wasn't there to protect the Ambassador as
they were blocks away. Why was the Ambassador left holding the bag
unprotected? Whistleblowers know.
The Democrats accuse the Republicans of politics in this process. If there were
mistakes, then let them fall where they fall. However, this administration knew
up front, the Sunday afterward that they were in trouble and thought they could
ruse their way out of this by changing the "real" story with the United
States of America's Ambassador to the United Nations making a circuit to
every media outlet she could on Sunday. She made the gap widen in the following
weeks as the President, Secretaries of State, Department of Defense, CIA, and
Homeland Security got their "fictional" stories making history change
prior to the election. Mitt Romney's expression in that debate
was very similar to the one he had with John McCain 5 years earlier. He could
not believe what those two individuals had just said to him. Anyone in their
right mind would have believed the same. However, with President Obama, the
moderator of the debate validated without telling the truth that the President
had said something different in the rose garden. The Press and
Media from 12 September 2012 made Mitt Romney the villain by mislabeling
anything he said about Benghazi. Remember Bin Laden situation?
Fun and games in DC, just before the election.Obama's narrative was
that AlQueda was all but eliminated and that the world loved his version of the
USA. So tolerant and accepting of Islam.The administration sought to
downplay the attack and changed the truth. What's worse, it appears
from testimony that in an effort to prevent escalation right before the
election, Obama chose to stand down rather than protect Americans.
"We need to always remember that everything Hitler did in Germany was
legal".Martin Luther King, Jr.We all have the right to
remain silent, but I don't recommend it. This bunch is the most corrupt in