@Zoar -- "I realize I cannot convince you with our religious
beliefs... "And I sympathize with the fact that you have
concerns. However, this country isn't a theocracy.Our laws aren't dictated by what somebody's Bible -- or Torah -- or
Koran -- or Book of Mormon -- might decree. Our laws are dictated by
the will of the people, the judgment of the legislature, and adherence to the
Constitution.I'm all for somebody who has concerns about an
issue stepping forward and saying, "I have concerns about this issue. My
religious text says that this issue is wrong. And I believe in my religious
text, so I believe this issue is wrong, too."Just don't
expect me -- or other Americans -- to suddenly forget about facts and logic and
cry out, "WOW! If your religious text says something, then obviously it MUST
BE TRUE."Sorry, but reality just doesn't work that way.
There are many religions and many religious people out there, and they very
often disagree about important issues. Like, for instance, gay
marriage. And no particular religion gets to win the debate just
because it happens to be the one that YOU were raised to believe in.
@ContrariusI realize I cannot convince you with our religious
beliefs but those religious beliefs that we hold to have made some of us
concerned about what is occurring in this country. Now from an LDS point of
view, homosexuality is a sin, I am sure you can see why might be so against
going along with what the majority desires (If the polling data is correct), and
what will be the result if we do.BOM teaching about governing
according to the voice of the people: Now it is not common that the
voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is
common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right;
therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law--to do your business by the
voice of the people.And if the time comes that the voice of the
people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will
come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction
even as he has hitherto visited this land.(Mosiah 29:26-27)
@worf --"Legalizing gay marriage deafens the voice of truth, and
leads to disfiguring the soul of society. Study this out."Ummmmm. No.You've got to remember at least one vital thing,
Worf. Specifically, your personal "truth" is not the same thing as
everyone else's "truth". Your opinion doesn't get to override
everyone else's opinion, and your religion doesn't get to override
everyone else's religion. Many religious people support gay marriage, and
you have no right to think that your belief is somehow better than theirs.Sorry if you can't understand.
@worfFor being such an irrelevant you sure seem to spend a lot of
time on it. Again your particular religious beliefs really not convincing
evidence of anything but of what your particular religious beliefs are. Beliefs
are nothing but self-assuring circular reasoning.
Contrarius:Virtue is lost in degrees. Legalizing gay
marriage deafens the voice of truth, and leads to disfiguring the soul of
society. Study this out.Sorry if you can't understand.
So we have worf synically throwing in the towel, and Chris B still trying
to convince us that marriage is ONLY about procreating.Wrong by both
@ChrisbBoy Chris you got us on the ropes with that one, oh wait your
interpretation of your God means nothing in terms of evidence to me since I
don't share your beliefs and you are unable to provide any evidence to
support his existence, that was close, you almost got me.
@Chris B --"God decided only a man and woman should ever
procreate."Yeah -- and if God had meant for us to fly, we'd
have wings.Are ya gonna try to outlaw airplanes, Chris?@George --"care to back up any of those claims with
proof?"Of course he won't -- because it isn't true." just like they are lying about how gay marriage doesn't harm
straight couples or religions."Exactly how does gay marriage
harm straight couples or religions? Inquiring minds want to know.
Well done worf!I'm with youGod decided only a man
and woman should ever procreate.That's enough evidence for me
he only wants a man and woman together.
@d call care to back up any of those claims with proof?
I am ashamed of my home state today. This article forgot to mention the fact
that last fall the proponents of same-sex marriage said up and down the state
that the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage was not needed because
there was no plans for that. They lied, just like they are lying about how gay
marriage doesn't harm straight couples or religions.
@worfYou seem to be spending a lot of time commenting on the
@Worf --"Gays are freed to gain the benefits of marriage. I
could just cry."Many people are crying right now -- for joy. The
recognition of full citizenship for same-sex couples is something worth getting
emotional over. :-)
Gays are freed to gain the benefits of marriage. I could just cry.
Congrats again to Minnesota!These advances are most certainly NOT
irrelevant to anyone who cares about civil rights.The US
Constitution and equal rights will prevail, given time and the ongoing efforts
of people who are willing to fight for their rights. :-)
@worf irrelevant? then we can expect you are not going to waist anymore of
your precious time commenting on the subject since there are so many more
With other challenges facing this country, gay marriage is irrelevant.