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Published: Friday, May 10 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The problem is not ObamaCare. The problem is not health insurance. Hospitals are FORCED to admit anyone who needs health care. That is the problem. Is the grocery store forced to give food to anyone who shows up? Is the gas station forced to fill the tank of anyone who drives in? Force is the problem.

When there is no personal accountability, there is chaos. ObamaCare supports chaos.

The purpose of government is not to force us to pander to those who have chosen to ignore their responsibility to care for themselves. The purpose of government is to protect us from those who would take away our freedoms. ObamaCare takes away our freedom. It panders to those who are not responsible. It encourages people to be irresponsible.

Follow the money. 18% of our nation's wealth will be mixed into the "general fund" so that government can issue I.O.U.s to the health care fund, just as it has spent all of the SS money and issued worthless I.O.U.s to the SS fund.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

The only problem with Obamacare is that the idea actually came from republicans.

one old man
Ogden, UT

First, let me say that it is really refreshing to see an occasional sensible letter like this one.

Second, let me ask Mike Richards to explain what he means when he says: When there is no personal accountability, there is chaos. ObamaCare supports chaos."

Isn't ACA all about personal accountability?

Please turn off the propaganda heard on hate radio and try to actually learn what is true and what is not.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Great letter.

Originally, Obamacare was a republican idea which encouraged folks to be responsible. They were supposed to get health insurance or face some sort of penalty.

Now,because a Democrat took their idea, they are 100 percent against it. Just like the background check thing, repubs are going against the President because they don't want to be seen working with him. The American people should be outraged. How many more times must "we the people" be used in this political football game?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

No Mr. Richards the grocery store is not forced to give away food, but that is because we have found other ways to deal with the hungry, many ways actually. There is only one way to treat the sick and injured so a civil society guarantees they receive some level of care.

Here's the real issue however, "The purpose of government is not to force us to pander to those who have chosen to ignore their responsibility to care for themselves." Just what qualifies as ignoring the responsibility to care for themselves? Is it the person who chooses not to have health insurance, is it the person who works for a company who doesn't provide health coverage and can't afford it themselves, is it the person who hasn't taken care of their health and now needs expensive care, is it the person who has done all of the right things and still needs care that will cost more than a small country could afford? And even if you have an answer how do you decide whether to treat this person when they show up at the ER with a heart attack?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Because no one is seriously debating the idea that hospitals should simply let people die outside their doors, conservatives came up with the ingenious idea of the individual mandate. At the time it was seen as the antidote to socialized medicine… a free market approach to ensuring everyone who uses a product (medical care) pays for that product. And they rightly recognized that everyone will use this product at some point in their lives and that insurance is the best business model for providing that care in a predictable and financially feasible way.

And then a funny thing happened – after recognizing that the country would not pass a single payer system, the president reluctantly adopted this model perhaps naively believing it would herald a Kumbaya moment in Washington (Republicans would applaud the president for seeing the wisdom of conservatism and we would finally bring some sanity to our broken healthcare system).

I guess someone forgot to tell him that conservative hate the president and are allergic to anything he touches… and the rest is history.

I’ve seen fish on a boat deck flip flopping less than the Republican Party over the last 5 years…

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Terra,
Let’s examine each fallacy in your letter.
You disagree with the following:
“Individuals…will now be required to have adequate health care coverage or pay a penalty”

That is the result of the law, whether you agree with it or not.

Your basis for disagreement is everyone WANTS it. So? Wanting something and being required to buy it are two different things. And not everyone wants it.

You then say since hospitals have to treat everyone, regardless of ability to pay, that you should cancel your homeowners insurance or car insurance since somebody else would pay if your car or home get damaged. Law requires hospitals to treat; no law exists requiring someone to pay for your house or car if they get damaged.

Also, you are not required to buy a house or a car, so you have avenues of escape from buying car or homeowner’s insurance. What is your avenue of escape from buying health insurance or paying the penalty?

Death. Quite the choice, isn’t it? Buy Obamacare or DIE!!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The problem is that all we got out of this whole exercise was a veneer on the current system, which doesn't work. What we really needed was the elimination of health care as a commodity, removal of the insurance industry and employers from the health care delivery process, and a single payer system put in place.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Lost in DC, your comment really makes no sense whatsoever. What you are pushing for is really SOCIALIZED medical care. When the law requires someone to be treated and they cannot pay for it, who picks up the bill?

Let's revise your last sentence: "Death. Quite the choice, isn’t it? Either DIE or get the rest of us to pay for your care!!"

Gee, I thought you hated socialism and here you are pushing for it.

Truthseeker2
SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA

Hospitals are required to treat those without insurance or proof of ability to pay, however, I believe outside of the hospital setting Drs. can decline to see pts (cash customers) without health insurance (Ethically, Drs. would be expected to treat pts in a life-death/emergency situation).

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

What the Left forgets is that health insurance is the result of FDR freezing wages. When employers lost valuable employees because the GOVERNMENT refused to allow those employers to pay an acceptable wage, those employers started adding "benefits" to the pay package. One of those "benefits" was insurance.

Let's look at insurance. There are basically two types of health insurance, Major Medical and Comprehensive. Major Medical is designed to pay the "big bills" that are unexpected. That type of insurance requires the patient to pay for all routine medical expenses. Comprehensive pays part of all medical costs, including routine visits to a doctor for sniffles.

Doctors bill those who are insured at a lower rate than those who are not insured. A son and his friend went to the same dentist at the same time. Each needed a root canal and a crown. We had no dental insurance. My son paid $1,200 for the procedure. His friend had insurance. The dentist billed the insurance company $600 for the same procedure. Obviously, the procedure was worth $600.

ObamaCare solves nothing. It is a patch on top of hundreds of other patches. It solves nothing.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Mike Richards has obviously never heard of in-network volume discounts, a basic sort of practice nearly every business on this planet engages in. That's why his son paid full price -- he's not in the network.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

old man,
no, the only way out of Obamacare is death.

you have no alternative. If you don't want Obamacare, the only way out is to die. Has nothing to do with needing or receiving health care. If you live the US, you HAVE to have health insurance, whether you want it or not. no exceptions. Don't want it, then die, since that is the only way out.

There, I've said it a number of different ways, hope you can understand at least one of them.

I'll say it again -

the only way out of being forced to buy health insurance is to die. You do not have to die to avoid having to have auto or homeowner's insurance, but to get out of buying health insureance you have to drop dead. be kaput, exist amongst the living no more. expire.

nice obfuscation, though. Typical of the left; if they cannot refute what you say, they lie about what you say.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Tyler D,

I could not have said it any better. Thank you.

All,

Irrespective of whether we like the ACA or not (I have some issues with it), the reality is that allowing people to freeload on the system is foolish. One way or another folks need to have health insurance.

I hear folks say that they have sufficient savings to self-insure. Unlikely. Given the cost of many severe issues, a patient could easily burn through $100,000 to $250,000 in just a few days. If they have something a little rare, then the cost can go much higher.

Ultimately, I think folks can self insure for small to moderate amounts if they have a backstop of catastrophic insurance. But having no insurance is just betting that you won't need charity. If you lose that bet, we (as taxpayers) lose as well.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:MikeRichards

You would really find the March 4th Time magazine article "Why Medical Bills are Killing Us" interesting.

One would think with your family's experiences of being uninsured--and in one case having to rely on the largess of assistance from family and friends-- you would have a different outlook.

BTW
We've always had dental insurance and typically it covers only a portion of crowns and root canals (unless one has met the deductible). Our dental insurance paid $600-or so to the dentist and then WE had to pay the remaining $500-600 balance to the dentist. Crowns and root canals are expensive even with those who have insurance. On the other hand, routine screenings, cleanings etc are covered at no cost or a minimal $20 co-pay.

Read the article.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

@Truthseeker,

I beg your pardon, but did I say that I or my family was not insured? We have always had insurance. We have always had major medical. We have paid over $158,000 in premiums for that insurance over the last 41 years. We have paid our part and have been responsible. We have NEVER had dental insurance nor have we ever had eye-glass insurance.

We are typical of the self-employed, people who pay the full-size premium for the mini-size coverage. What Obama offers is so much worse that what I have paid for all my life. There was no "secretary of health" with Blue-Cross to deny any service. On those few times that we actually used the insurance, Blue-Cross was efficient, kind and friendly when it came time for them to pay. Can you imagine what will happen when the "health secretary" decides that you, an American citizen, should be given a pat on the head and a pain pill because it's just not worth the cost to keep you alive?

Don't pretend that Obama cares about you or me. Look what he's done to others.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Lost in DC -- once again, your second post makes no coherent sense unless you really are a socialist. And even then, it's a big stretch.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:MikeRichards
Pardon me. I must have you mixed up with someone else--who told a story once that they didn't have insurance when their child got sick with cancer but wonderful neighbors and family stepped in to help with medical bills.

From Factcheck, "Death Panels Redux" 2012:

"Others have claimed an Independent Payment Advisory Board created by the law will be charged with rationing care. The 15-member IPAB — made up of doctors and medical professionals, economists and health care management experts, and representatives for consumers and seniors — is tasked with finding ways to reduce the growth in Medicare spending. But as we have noted before, the law explicitly says that the IPAB’s proposals “shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums … increase Medicare beneficiary costsharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.”

My guess is your premiums will be going up--but with that you will no longer have the "mini" coverage and will have much, much better coverage.

Already there is evidence that healthcare spending is declining.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Au contraire Terra mon frere. If you look at actuarial tables then you'll see that probably 98% of people between the ages of 18 to 32 do not need health insurance. I would recommend that they have at least some major medical coverage that in a sane world would probably cost them between 20 to 50 dollars a month. I'm excluding the cost of child birth but if you are young then you have your whole life to pay that back. Like it or not, now we have Obamacare where the young and healthy will be forced under penalty of law to pay insurance premiums with no actuarial relationship to their chance of needing the insurance to subsidize lower premiums for the old and/or unhealthy. That's our bed and we will lie in it.

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

@lost in DC:
"Death. Quite the choice, isn’t it? Buy Obamacare or DIE!!"

Everybody dies... at one time or another... of one thing or another. Those who can't or won't buy health insurance could possibly die soon than others. But we all die. So, if you think about it, in the final analysis, Obama care is a waste of money.

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