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Published: Thursday, May 9 2013 4:55 p.m. MDT

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Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

thank you for standing on the side of right Minn. leg.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Question:

Why can't two siblings be allowed to marry? Isn't that discrimination?

And REMEMBER, as my liberal friends always tell me on these boards, marriage has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX.

That is what I'm told over and over and over.

It is about love and commitment.

Please keep that in mind when answering. NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX.

Besides, sex happens outside of marriage in most relationships and there are marriages without sex.

So again, marriage has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX.

I ask again:

Why can't two siblings/family members be married then?

Is that not discrimination?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Qualify for benefits?

Contrarius
Lebanon, TN

Congrats, Minnesota!

The fight for equal rights moves forward yet another step! :-)

@Chris B --

"And REMEMBER, as my liberal friends always tell me on these boards, marriage has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX."

Once again, Chris, this simply isn't true. Please at least TRY to tell the truth when you post a comment.

As many people HAVE told you before, marriage is about a lot of things. It's about love, and commitment, and stability, and home-building, and family, and raising children together, and all *sorts* of things -- yes, including, but not limited to, sex. You can't narrow it down to just one single thing or another.

"Why can't two siblings/family members be married then?"

One reason is that there's a whooooooole lot of anti-incest laws preventing it. If you really want to try changing those laws, have at it. That should only take you a few hundred years or so.

But first you'll have to find sibling/family couples that are actually *interested* in getting married, so that they can file the lawsuits.

I'm betting you'll have an awfully hard time coming up with many of those.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

""We're not. We're not," said Rep. Kelby Woodard, R-Belle Plaine. "These are people with deeply held beliefs, including myself.""

Why should your "deeply held beliefs" trump the civil rights of any Americans?

the truth
Holladay, UT

As an LGBT activist said to cheering audience, and I paraphrase:

"The dirty little secret is we do not want marriage, we want marriage done away with."

The pursuit of Gay marriage is about the destruction of the foundational unit of society, the traditional family, and the destruction of any kind of definition of family.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The Israelites wanted a King and all the benefits of the countries surrounding them. The Lord said no to that wish several times. Then he gave them righteous men as kings to start with but Saul, David and Solomon falling on their swords, and even Solomon raised his sword.

We are espousing to be a Kingdom again as Kings give into the moral standards of the day. They spend heavily as they don't have a Congress to budget the funds. We have no Congress to budget the funds now. Instead of Governing, the King goes around to his social and media events to show how great he is.

It hasn't taken long for our country to lose it's direction even with GPS capabilities. We were better aligned when we used the stars to guide us. At least people would look into the heavens periodically and be amazed at all of God's creations.

One fell swoop and ethics, integrity and honor have gone down in flames. If anyone attempts to show integrity, honor and ethics, the people in the Broadway buildings are laughing and pointing at them for being out of style. People abuse freedoms lose freedoms.

amazondoc
USA, TN

"The pursuit of Gay marriage is about the destruction of the foundational unit of society, the traditional family, and the destruction of any kind of definition of family."

The *truth* is that, in states and countries where gay marriage is legal, the divorce rate among gay couples is the same as *or lower than* the divorce rate among straight couples.

The *truth* is that states in which gay marriage is legal have some of the lowest overall divorce rates in the entire country.

The *truth* is that, in Scandinavian countries where same-sex registered partnerships have been legal for up to 20 years now, in the 10 years following the legalization of those partnerships, overall marriage rates INCREASED and overall divorce rates DECREASED (I can post these numbers from the Wall Street Journal on request).

Please, guys, it's much easier to have the "civil dialogue" that DN encourages when there is less hysteria and more actual truth. How about giving that a try?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

contrarian,

So are you suggesting that marriage is needed as a permission slip from the government to have sex?

That is what you are suggesting if you are saying two family members can't marry in order for incest to not happen

Besides, two brothers have never and will never procreate and create children with abnormalities.

Want to know why?

Because God didn't want two members of the same gender to be able to have children.

Again,

are you suggesting that the government has to approval all sexual relationships, and that this is done by a marriage certificate?

Contrarius
Lebanon, TN

@Chris B --

"That is what you are suggesting if you are saying two family members can't marry in order for incest to not happen"

You're not even making sense, Chris.

If you are really interested in working towards allowing siblings to marry, go for it. But do keep in mind that first you'll have to find sibling pairs who are actually *interested* in getting married. The courts won't even consider it unless you first find people who have "standing" on the issue -- that means, people who are personally affected by the anti-incest laws.

I won't be holding my breath while you're out there looking.

"Because God didn't want two members of the same gender to be able to have children."

Yeah, and if God had meant for us to fly, he'd have given us wings.

Cmon, Chris. Less hysteria and more facts would really help towards having a "civil dialogue".

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

@Chris B
While I normally enjoy your posts and find them entertaining and sometimes insightful your comments here show a lack of understanding of reasonable moral and political dialogue. Your red herring argument about "sibling marriage" was a weak attempt at arguing against same sex marriage. Incest laws protect against health and genetic degradation as well as the sexual abuse inherent in most incest cases. There is no such threat with same sex marriage.

I think the crisis of conscience for lds church members (of which I'm a part) is that we believe in a God of agency as well as a God of morality. The constitution does not create or establish moral values, it protects the moral values you and I choose as well as our rights against opression, as long as those values don't infringe on the rights of others. Gays and lesbians have agency like anyone else, and to rob them of it would also go against gods teachings. And since I find no instance where their marriage infringes on my rights, to deny them of that right is to uphold the very oppression the constitution protects us against..

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Morally I don't believe in same sex marriage, but my moral values should NEVER trump agency or liberty...we've seen the sad historical calamities that have come about because churches or leaders sought to impose their moral values on people. The consequence of such imposition and oppression is tyranny and facism, and I think we all agree that's not what we want.

well informed
Salt Lake, UT

I am so proud and glad to live in a state that will NEVER allow gay marriage.

Contrarius
Lebanon, TN

@well informed --

"I am so proud and glad to live in a state that will NEVER allow gay marriage."

Don't count on that.

;-)

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