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Published: Thursday, May 9 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

So teachers are great but when they act in unison (in a union) they become a problem?

I understand that resistance to change can be a problem. But I also understand that change for its own sake is just as problematic.

If we are to have meaningful change, we need to look to those countries that are out competing us educationally (many of which have teachers unions) and see what they are doing.

We don't need to reinvent the wheel here. Nor do we need to throw out the many good parts of our current system.

One issue to study is whether or not the delivery of many social services in the name of education is efficient. It may also be the cause of some cost differences. Many of these are by judicial fiat.

To some degree, we have the best educational system lawyers and lawsuits can create.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

We're solving the wrong problem because teachers are NOT the backbone of society or of progress in society. Parents are.

The strength of society derives from the character of those of whom it is composed. Many children raised in daycare centers learn the law of the jungle. When those children also attend schools where morality can't be mentioned, their moral relativism is reinforced.

To the degree that schools remain infatuated with teaching children how to balance their checkbooks, how to operate Microsoft Word, and that those who do poorly deserve the same praise and honor as those who do well, they (the schools) fail. To the degree that they teach mastery of language, logic, and rhetoric, they succeed. But neither schools nor society succeed if parents fail to ensure that their children learn character.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

The flavor of education reform the D-News worships opposes teacher unions as obstacles to progress.

But the nation which regularly performs in the top three internationally, Finland, has a fully unionized teacher corps.

Teachers are given lip service for their efforts during teachers week, but viewed as an impediment to moving forward if they collectively advocate for what they feel is best for Utah's children?

Nowhere in the editorial is the primary teacher issue mentioned, class size, and the next agenda item for the special interest pushing the breakup of public education is slyly inserted, vouchers for private schools.

The D-News praise for teachers appears to be agenda laced, at best, and considering the willful ignorance of teacher recommendations for improvement, the praise appears, frankly, as insincere.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Ah, Ha! The headline explains it when it says teachers "are the backbone of progress."

So teachers are PROGRESSIVES?

Conservatives hate progressive things and people. So that must explain why our regressive GOP legislature is doing all it can to denigrate teachers and starve their schools with lack of funding.

jeanie
orem, UT

Thought #1
As a public school teacher I agree with Pops that the real backbone of education is parents. Unfortunately, because there are enough parents who create chaos in their children's lives society looks to public education to fill in the gaps. It will always fall short because the real power lies with parents. The programs implemented in public schools that take time and resources from academic education are targeting students whose parents have not taught them basic rules of success and how to get along with others at the expense of students from strong families.

Thought #2
Unions can be a great support to good teachers who would otherwise be crushed under heavy-handed administrations. It is wrong to assume unions are the power hungry entities and that a school or district administration's sole focus is effective student education.

Thought #3 Was the intent of this article to honor teachers or to support school choice and demonize unions? I felt like it was something of a "bait and switch".

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

one old man
Ogden, UT

Agreed!

You caught the same thing I did.
Teachers are backbone of PROGRESS
Making them PROGESSive
Conservatives hate all things Progressive,
Which explains why Conservatives slash and gut Education!

Bravo! great comment one old man!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

This editorial seems to compliment teachers at first... Butter them up a lil... And then completely bash them and promote a school voucher program (which we all know what that means).

Like a wolf in sheep's clothing... This article is far more about promoting an ultra-conservative agenda which largely benefits the rich rather than complimenting teachers or improving the state's education.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

jeanie:

Your thought #1 is very insightful. As parents struggle to provide good parenting to their kids (working too much, jobs in the evenings, etc.) the job of providing basic social instruction falls to the schools, too often.

Ideally, every student would come from a two-parent household where one parent stays home to focus on raising the kids, these homes would have economic stability, no serious health or behavioral problems that interfere with that function, etc.

Donald Rumsfeld said about going to war in Iraq, "you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you have".

And so it is with educating children. It would be ideal if we had all children from the ideal demographic of economically secure two-parent homes. This seems to be the working assumption the Legislature uses.

But as economic upheaval disrupts families, and more children come from backgrounds different from the ideal demographic, this assumption is failing us.

My sense is the tacit goal is to re-introduct vouchers, and then at *that point* the Legislature will provide better funding, as private schools complain about funding.

EJM
Herriman, UT

This is why teachers,especially veteran teachers who care more than their students, are getting out when they can. As an educator I can tell you tht their is an eve growing percentage of students who believe society owes them and that they should not have to do diddly to graduate. The DNews editorial board paid lip serviceto teachers in this editorial. They enjoy blaming unions for impeding the progress of education. Online education does not work for the majority of students who attempt it because they attempt it thinking it will be easier than the classroom. Even our state's Electronic HS,with all of the students earning credits (usually in retrieval) has more sign up who never complete than those who do. One last thing: this editorial called for radical school reform. I have one idea: enforce attendance policies,which all schools (public, private and charter) have. Private and charter schools do. Public schools are afraid to. Explain that one to me.

Ninjutsu
Sandy, UT

We all know that the problems in education are societal, not academic. They are systemic. They begin in the home and are perpetuated through media and culture. More education spending, charter schools, teacher merit pay, longer school hours, shorter school days, Common Core curriculum, No Child Left behind, block scheduling, team teaching, vouchers, standardized testing, Singapore Math etc.(I could go on and on), are like band-aids to a cancer patient. I don't know the solution, but it has nothing to do with the education system itself. It is society's problem, and it begins and ends with culture that values education.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

Liberals have never focused on pay for good teachers they have only focused on increased pay for union teachers. They also reroute most of the money that would have gone to teachers by creating unfunded and burdensome programs.

Conservatives have focused on privatizing education and have made every attempt to reroute money to charter schools and privates schools. They also place burdensome unfunded mandates on schools which hurts the teaching and mentoring process.

When will we get those who stand up and say pay the teachers in away that helps recruit the cream of the crop to our schools and get rid of burdensome programs and mandates which act like regulation on businesses.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Honor teachers by paying them more and restoring their benefits. Money walks the walk in this society...

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