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Published: Thursday, May 9 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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george of the jungle
goshen, UT

How are you going to heat your home. That is a big issue to me. How far away do I have to drive to work. Will the wages keep up with inflation. Is property taxes increasing as the house decreases.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Yes, the recent Texas fertilizer explosion, limited regulatory oversight of the plant, and limited insurance of the plant required by the owners are all evidence of "responsible" business climate in Texas.

Bountiful, UT

Unintended Consequences

Illinois and California have indeed been fiscally irresponsible almost unbelievably so. However going into their states and trying to take their companies makes their situations even worse. This has and will lead to out migrations from those states. When those people with teiir certain group think move into your state, it will lose its character, and it will become more like them.

Durham, NC

I think it is rather ironic this piece with the back drop of probably the biggest industrial accident in recent history happening in Texas, with many fingers pointing to lax controls and inspections by the state as key contributors to that horrific event. There has not been as great loss of life in an industrial accident in decades....

I would think that just perhaps the state of Texas should pull back just a bit while it gets its own house in order. Obviously something went wrong. A town was devastated.... not just a singular business. When companies can put entire communities at risk, you have to wonder if the state is doing all it can to protect it citizens - its primary role.

While we have a political uproar about events that happened in Libya, there seems to be little passion to find out what happened in Texas at the cost of all those lives.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

cjb: California is now doing just fine. And when they were struggling they had repub governors.

Bountiful, UT

Re Ernest T Bass

California is now doing better? Good. The economy is improving.

Any person, family state or nation who is so far in debt that it can get by only when the economy is running full steam really isn't doing that well though.

Utah for the most part is out of debt. We don't fund continuing operations using debt. We have a rainy day fund.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yup -- no regulations. Explosions. A failing school system. The leader in executions -- many of which have been discovered to have been in error. A state school board that rewrites history and denies the possibility that evolution was part of creation.

And much, much more.


Texas. What a winning place to do business if all you care about is profit.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If you examine unemployment rates you will find that there is not much correlation between unemployment rates and the political outlook of the particular states.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

I'll take utah's 4.9% unemployment over CA and Ill's 9+% any day of the week.



Yes, CA has had some tough years. For example, the Enron debacle cost the state billions. Additionally, until 2011, the state constitution required 2/3 of the CA State Legislature to pass a state budget. Intransigence between the 2 parties made it impossible to effectively deal with the economic issues. Things are better as a result of cost-cutting, tax increases, and an improving economy. There is more work to be done.

CA has many of the top public universities in the nation, which is one reason why it is attractive to businesses.

What i want to know is how many jobs in UT do church donations fund?

Bountiful, UT

Re Truthseeker

You seem to think I am picking on California and you want to start a tussle. My purpose in mentioning California wasn't to put them down but to point out that getting into debt is unwise.

I like California. Most of the time when we vacation, we go there. Take my criticism as constructive criticism. Your state will be even better if you will learn to avoid debt and live within your means.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT
Yes, the recent Texas fertilizer explosion, limited regulatory oversight of the plant, and limited insurance of the plant required by the owners are all evidence of "responsible" business climate in Texas.

6:31 a.m. May 9, 2013


Don't forget the BP oil spill out in the Gulf of Mexico.
and Texas Congressman Joe Barton grobbling and apologizing to the BP Corporate heads for Americans being so "mean" and "angry" at them for the mess they made and the people that died....pathetic.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

BTW - Dan,

Did it ever occur to you the reason Chicago, Illinois and California got in the trouble they did was because years ago - in order for them to swoon businesses to move THERE in the first place, THEY needed to lower their taxe rates and deregulate as much as possible?

Over time, Texas [and Utah, if we follow suit] will end up being the next Illinois or California.
In the red, not able to pay the bills, and having to increase taxes which were held too low, for too long.

Used up, and Dried out.
Corporations will just up and move to the next State that comes a sweet talking {bribing}.

Businesses are all about making the most ($), and giving the least ($).



At the height of the recession, unilike most other states where the construction industry ground to a halt, and many lost their jobs, UT had several major construction projects going on in downtown SLC and in Provo.

And, during the Olympics the federal govt invested more money in SLC than any other Olympics.

Every year money i pay flows to UT.

I asked a sincere and fair question.

Orem, UT

Until governments (city, state, and federal) get their pension obligations under control, they will continue to be burdened with promises that there is no way to keep.

Governments have to adopt the same system as private companies..."come work for us and we will give you X dollars each year to help you fund your own retirement". You get to decide when there is enough in there to retire. No more guarantees of benefits. No more gaming the system so you can live extravagantly on the taxpayer's dime for 30+ years.

Working for 15 or 20 years and being able to retire on 90% of your last year's salary for the rest of your life just doesn't work out mathematically. While I might personally love such a system at my company, I know such promises could never be kept and still keep the company in business.

Bountiful, UT

Re Truthseeker

Okay. The LDS Church had a major construction project going on during the recession in downtown SLC, this helped us as did the Olympics. Also the LDS church employes a lot of people in Utah. Granted you are correct. All states have their particular advantages though. In spite of this good fortune, the recession still took its toll on us.

We were able to weather this storm better than we would have otherwise because of our debt policies and our rainy day fund.

Personally I have experience something similar in my own life when I lost a good job. It hurt, but it hurt less than it otherwise would have because my house was paid for and I had savings and no debt.

I did this by buying less house than I could afford, and living below my means and saving and investing the difference. This is a great way to live, I recommend it highly, for people and states, cities and nations.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The claim that Dan makes just is not true. Businesses will go where they will spend the least amount on the environment, health care, and labor. After so many years of favorable legislation and booming record profits it is no longer financially viable for companies to comply with government regulation. Meaning, the penalties they pay are so small that it isn't worth it to them to protect their workers and community members. Just watch, this Texas company rolled the dice and it still might pay off as taxpayers rebuild that city and bail out that company.

Theland which Dan lives in where companies are actually threatened is nothing more than a fantasy. Texas will continue to be unbelievably deregulated and workers will continue to pay the price. It is just too financially good for big CEOs. And they will make sure that legislators continue to do their bidding.

clearfield, UT

Ernest T. Bass, your name is from the 60s and so is your world view. California has been dominated by Democrats for years now, and none of this is Repbublican work. The Termanator tried to do something with propositions but was defeated by unions. Just today a report showed that the best economies in America are with Repbulican states and the basket cases are with Democrat states. Anyone who thinks California with highest taxes in the nation and biggest debt short of the Federal Governent is an example of good management should stay away from accounting as a profession.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Ironic how Republicans say they know all about how businesses, politics and capitalism really worked...

SOLD!, to the highest bidder!

Poplar Grove, UT

I hate to break it too you, but Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Republican, not a Democrat.

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