lost in DC I will vouch for Liberals attempt at an apology, he tried, he
apologized that they were not the political social economic group he had claimed
then added the caveat the where uber right wing fundamentalists because
"they are:Against abortion, Against homosexuals and
Pre-marital sex, Against smoking and drinking, Against pornography,
Against gambling, and other forms of vice and decadence...That puts them squarely into the uber-far-right-wing camp"Then
he provided his opinion about allowing those that commit the above the excuse of
free agency. But he does not allow the concept of free agency in gun
ownership.He is right when he says "I say what I mean, and mean what I
say."I love that he extolls the Lamenite prophet Samuel, by
using the screen name Samuel the Liberal, although I do believe on the wall
Samuel was calling the people to repentance from the sins here listed. That
makes him an uber far right wing religious fanatic.
LDS? lib,muslim terrorists are not right-wing, they are hard-core left.you cite recent statistics for mass murders, but neglect to cite older
information. NOTHING you said substantiates that mass murders have
increased.you say you are man of integrity and you mean what you
say.I find it less than honest when you say the LDS church supports
gay marriage and abortion. twisting LDS positions to suit your politcal bent is
"putting other gods before Him", the 1st of those pesky 10 commandments
liberals trot out only when they can use them for argument sake, but they
lost in DCWest Jordan, UTLDS? lib,No, mass murders have
NOT increased. Nice fabricated argument. Have you yet apologized for your
initial claim that the Boston bombers were right-wing gun nuts?============= In the United States, there have been at least 62
mass shootings in the past three decades, with 24 in the last seven years alone.
This has happened even as the nation's overall violent crime and homicide
rates have been dropping.andRight-wing, YES.Ultra-religious, YES.Tea-Partiers, no -- and I apologized for
that.BTW - since they used bombs, I never once mentioned
anything about them being gun-nuts.Oh, and one other thing, Please stop slandering me and what I say.I am a man of
integrity.I say what I mean, and mean what I say.Your
twisting and dis-information of what I said is just another form of lying.i.e., "bearing false witness"One of those pesky 10
commandments conservatives say, but by and large, ignore.
Mark B,Those studies were provided by an agenda-driven liberal group.
Remove suicides, which do NOT need a gun, and the results change
dramatically.LDS? lib,No, mass murders have NOT increased.
Nice fabricated argument. Have you yet apologized for your initial claim that
the Boston bombers were right-wing gun nuts?1ketMurder rates
are so many murders per thousand residents, not total number of murders. So a
city with 100 people and 6 murders has a higher rate than a city with 1000
people and 10 murders. Thanks for playing, though.
California hasn't left the time of the gold rush, everyone for themselves,
in someway. There are a lot of knife suicides, also. We can't train
everyone in gun laws and definitely, we cannot do that for knife safety unless
you are in the Boy Scouts and get signed off on that. I have not heard of the
Boy Scouts having as many deaths as they are trained in gun, knife and arrow
safety.Even in the pioneer days, people, including children fell off
of swings, wagons, and other kinds of death when there were not statistics. We
pay universities and lobbyists plenty of money to gather statistics to prove
their point. It takes politicians at least a few years to get the
information in the way they want to prove their point for campaigning, elections
and power in their respective offices.You can lock all the airplanes
in a hangar and pilots will potentially be safer. You can lock all guns up and
deaths will still happen, whether in mass or one at a time. Tinted Kool-Aid
killed a lot of people, including children. Chemical weapons kill in mass,
also, as do nuclear weapons or power-plants.
the citys with the highest murder rates have more people the most citys do, and
you will always have more murders. no one noticed that when the econemy gets
better the murder rate goes down. the murder rate went down 90s the back up in
the 2000s and this decade going down. when you have hope less chance of robbing.
@LDS Liberal Really? Could you supply some data for that statement? All my
research says exactly the opposite... It's always about a definition of
terms. You can define assault weapons to include kitchen knives, and mentally
insane to include a bad day at the office.. (I'm a Board member of a NY
state mental health Assoc.) The guns used in the Revolutionary war by privates
are now classified as assault weapons in New York State... Be liberal if you
must, but please research this from unbiased sources, don't just blindly
accept the liberal agenda.. These are your rights and your childrens rights you
are throwing away, they do not belong to the government, or either major
Has anyone noticed the three lists recently published by DN? There are the ten
worst states for gun violence, the ten strictest gun ownership laws states and
the ten "easy regulation" states. None of the "most strict"
states were on the "most violent" list, but, surprise, three of the
"easy to pack" list were also "most violent". BTW, all three are
flaming politically red. If New Yorkers are afraid of having their guns taken
away, they are free to move to Louisiana, although that does not remove the
risks. As for doing nothing to limit gun access, I have no shred of doubt that
that is precisely the plan of the NRA, and they are willing to sound like fools
in order to get NOTHING done.
‘Reports show gun homicides down since 1990s’============= BUTGun Suicides, and Gun
mass-Massacres due to the mentally insane having full un-questioned access to
them is way, WAY up since 1990s.It's time for some common-sense
Mark B. How is it that the four cities with the highest homicide rates have the
toughest and most draconian gun control laws. As far as confiscation, Oregon,
California, New York have already passed laws supporting gun confiscation. New
York has already seized guns under their "SAFE" law. Do you realize
even IBuprofin has a psychotropic effect warning. Under New York law your gun
possession license can be revoked and your guns confiscated for taking a
psychotropic drug. Never mind Heppa laws should prevent access to medical
records but the state mined the records in violation of the laws. Your
statement that no one is proposing such laws is either absolute propaganda or
the dems "gun" legislation was never about guns, but about control.Mark B,you are correct, no one IS claiming martial law will be
declared. JWB did not say the dems were proposing martial law. he was merely
pointing out that a society where guns were outlawed had higher rates of
crime.and we are trying to keep guns out of the hands of certain
people. Stop acting like we are doing nothing. The only ones doing nothing are
Holder's injustice department, with its abyssmal record of prosecuting
those who get caught in background checks.
Give it a rest, will you? There is no one proposing martial law, no one
proposing gun confiscation, and no one even demanding common sense measures such
as locks or safes. Who knows why, but even CHILDREN get guns sold to them in our
market-based economy.But "Gun homicides down" is good.
Perhaps all the screaming that "no gun control measure has ever worked"
isn't exactly right. They would, I contend, work better when we at least
try to keep guns out of the hands of certain dangerous people. You know. The
ones who kill people? I wouldn't give Clint Eastwood much credit.
I don't see Senator Feinstein pushing this news release. We have had more
gun ownership and more concealed weapons permits since then so the bad guys
don't know who they are dealing with. Having lived in
countries where they had martial law and guns were not permitted except by the
police and military, people's home were robbed more often as the thieves
knew they were dealing with people that only had a stick to hit them with or
maybe stab them. Not even CB radios were allowed as that was a form of
communication that could be used against the government. No cell phones or
internet and a television program could be interrupted at any time for a message
from the President of the country or the propaganda people.In some
countries the bad guys have weapons of substantial size and use. If normal
citizens didn't have the opportunity to have a form of self-protection that
was valid, a knife doesn't stop guns, people are powerless.Clint Eastwood image in every house stops homicides.