B Russ it's not just Corbin, it's the whole philosophy from frank
Layden till now. Utah became a bad defensive team the year they put Boozer on
the floor, nothing has changed since. Changing socks when you have dirty feet
doesn't make your feet clean, it only makes the new socks dirty. If they
start the coaching merry-go-round they will just have another obstacle in the
If the future rest squarely on the shoulders of the young core, then Corbin must
go. He has already proven that he does not believe in them. We need a coach with
at least enough savy to know who his own best players are. Defense included.
@ShayboYour thought is chilling to me too, although I think I worry that
they will sign even one of them. Both players will prove more useful to other
teams. Favors and Kanter must play major minutes this coming season. And, yes,
as fans, we were cheated last year, not getting the chance to see more of the
core four. Love Watson's comment in last paragraph of this article.
Wouldn't that be something if Kanter became a great NBA player?
I have noticed a lot of love for Deron Williams on here. Why? Look at how much
he is costing Brooklyn. He is not anywhere near worth his money or the money we
would have had to pay him. He is not even a top 5 point guard. The guy is not
a winner and gets criticized by former players and analysts all the time for not
giving consistent good efforts. I watched him several times this past season.
When things were going well, he was tough. When he wasn't on his game or
his team struggled, he would pout and eventually quit. He will never be a
champion unless he changes. He was arrogant, and a poor leader when he was
here. I was fine seeing him go for we would never be serious contenders with
him. Look at his New Jersey team. Very talented this year yet he couldn't
even lead his team past the bulls practice squad.
I think the Jazz are trying to put a positive spin on their decision to trade
D-Will. So far, the results have only produced hopes and dreams. None of their
"core" players have demonstrated an ability to become the team's
franchise player or players. I don't think that guy is there at the
present. In time, I believe the Jazz will attempt to move some of their assets
to find that one guy, like the guy they traded who was the face of the
START kanter and favors next year. Then, our future is bright
After the changes in the playing roster after last season, via trades and
signings, it seemed that nearly everyone expected the Jazz to have a better
year. After the Mo Williams acquisition, everyone, including all of the press,
agreed that the Jazz had improved the overall quality level of their players.
Coach Corbin also predicted this past season was going to be an
improvement, with perhaps a bit of run in the playoffs. Sadly, he didn't
deliver. With better players, the team actually did worse than the year before.
Yes, the Jazz had their average number of injuries. All teams do. That's to
be factored in. The variable left is the coaching staff. And the
buck stops with the head coach. He determines the rest of his staff. Many of the
fans and especially those commenting on these online articles have become
critical and frustrated with coach Corbin. He simply hasn't delivered as
expected with his first head coaching job. The team owners should be cautious
about providing on the job training with a head coach, and realize that too much
loyalty to a head coach can be detrimental to the team as a whole.
Americanvet, hit it right on the head. If Lindsey had much to do with the
success of the Spurs, I hope he brings it to Utah. I'd wait another year
too, if they do it right.
My biggest fear is that the Jazz will re-sign Jefferson and Milsap, if they do
you can be assured they will be getting most of the minutes once again which
will assure that Kanter and Favors will not come back.
The core 4 (add DC, if you wish), playing with Durrant/Westbrook (even with his
replacement) or Duncan/Parker would still be in the playoffs.When it
comes down to a go-to-guy, the Jazz usually come up empty, more times than
not.Until that problem is solved, the Jazz will continue to be
lottery/one and done playoff (7/8 seeds) material.
The biggest obstacle on keeping good young players on the Jazz is that the
spotlight is not very bright in Salt Lake. The only light in Mayberry was the
barber pole down at old Floyd's shop, and frankly it's not much better
in SLC. But, players do want to play on a good team that has a chance to make
some noise in the playoffs and the best way to keep the core 4 together is to
start building that kind of team. They still might be.lured off to the bright
lights do L.A. Or NYC, but if the Jazz improve vastly it will sure hep:)
The only reason we wouldn't be able to keep our young core together is if
at least two of them elevate their games enough to demand max contracts. As it
stands now, I doubt any of the four would get much more than $10M on the open
market once their rookie contracts are up. If they were free agents right now, I
bet Favors would get $12m, Hayward $7m, Kanter $7m (bigs are more valuable than
guards), and Burks $4m. Those numbers will definitely go up as the players get
more playing time next year but probably not substantially.
that would be incredible if Utah ever had to deal with the problem that OKC had
of their core 4 being too good that they'll have trouble paying them all.
Of the former OKC core 4, there were 3 all stars (i.e. 3 U.S. olympians) -
namely Durant (2nd best player in the NBA), Westbrook, and Harden. The Jazz
don't have a single All-Star player amongst their core 4 and none of their
core 4 is even close to being an All-star at the present stage of their career.
Although that would be great if they progress to that point. fastfox - you are wrong in your recollection of the thunder roster. Green was
traded to the Celtics in 2011 and harden started playing for the Thunder in
xert....thanks for your comments.It might have been a "poorly
written article," as you stated. Guess everybody is their own judge of that.
But I didn't write about DeMarre Carroll because he is not under contract
for next season. I'm not so sure he'll be back either, quite
frankly.This article was about the Core Four - not about the other
guys the need to bring back or who should surround them. There will be time for
articles like that in the future.I do agree that he plays with a
great level of heart and passion, which should be emulated by all Jazz players.
Say what you want Dennis but as long as Corbin is the coach plan for another
early season next year.I would love to see Mr. Corbin prove me wrong...
Poorly written article, Jody. Not a single mention of DeMarre Carrol? He added a
level of energy and toughness that not one of these "core 4" possess
yet. I'd almost call him more important because until these young players
learn to play every minute on the court with his level of heart and passion,
they are going to be an underacheiving core.
OKC was different...They never had Green, Durant, Harden and Westbrook on the
team at one time. They traded Green to get Perkins before Harden I believe. Also
they chose to pay Ibaka over Harden, because Harden was dissatisfied with his
6th man role and they traded him. They got very good return for him, however no
where near Harden's value. I see the jazz being able to keep 3
of their core 4, unless two of them take a significant pay cut to keep the 4th.
To me if all 4 pan out, I seen the jazz keeping Hayward, Kanter and Favors.
Burks is the likely odd-man out. The only way I see the jazz Keeping burks if
somehow he does what Steph curry did and becomes a very good
"non-traditional" point guard and his shot improves, but i think he is
the most replaceable of the group, although he is my personal favorite.
Lindsey talked about either being bold right now if the opportunity presents
itself, or patient and strategic. I for one hope for the bold approach by
putting the team in the hands of the core 4 and using the cap space and draft
picks to surround them with a different cast. Millsap and Jefferson both have
value, but bringing them back will take away from Favors and Kanter taking over
in the front court. Even if we miss the playoffs again next year, I would rather
it be because we're putting the team on the backs of the core 4 and we just
give them the max playing time to really develop them as they start moving into
their prime. I read D-Wills comment the other day about his last
year with the Jazz. He loved the system and thought we had good players, but the
team didn't play aggressive on defense. I think that is still a major
concern. The team needs to get much better defensively or we will never contend
with the good teams. I hope the team will address that issue this off season as
This 'core four' is not going to stay intact. Evern if all four of
them pan out and become good players, the Jazz oraganization will not have the
money to pay all four of them in the near future (2-4 years). Just
look at the OKC Thunder. Their 'core four' at one point was Jeff
Green, Kevin Durant, James Harden, and Russell Westbrook. Obviously Green and
Harden are no longer with OKC. The future of the west for the NBA is
Denver, Houston, OKC, Portland, and Golden State.