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Published: Wednesday, May 8 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . the borders are more secure now than ever in our recent history . . . ."

Yeah, and the writer knows that because he can see the border from his back porch in SLC?

Take it from one who's been there recently, and whose family lives and works there -- notwithstanding Obama-regime propaganda to the contrary -- our border with Mexico is anything but secure.

Drugs, guns, illegal aliens, terrorists, stolen cars and aircraft, Chinese knockoffs of American products, uninspected beef and other agricultural imports, unregulated medical and professional services, even Mexican military units . . . pretty much anything you can imagine, flows freely across our southern border.

And, illegal immigration -- once on the decline -- has literally exploded, recently, as a result of all the blather on bi-partisan support for amnesty-based "comprehensive reform."

If the writer's unsupported, unsupportable blather is an indication of the quality of information disseminated by the tiny, unknown organization he claims to direct, I guess it's a good thing we've never heard of it.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

Lots of distortions and half-truths.

Based on certain admissions by Obama Administration personnel, the Administration effectively has been "cooking the books" on deportation numbers, by falsely counting "border turnaways" as "deportations." Meanwhile, it has largely REFUSED to deport and instead has given orders to NOT deport. So really it's smoke and mirrors.

And the real problem people have with so-called "comprehensive immigration reform" (Why ever in the world are you using euphemisms? Are you afraid to candidly admit what this really is about, amnesty?) is that amnesty, or legalization of illegal aliens, is the opposite of real enforcement, at the border and also in the nation's interior. Amnesty and enforcement are not complementary principles. They are opposites.

"Our economic security, our social stability and our world moral leadership has been, and is now, based on compassion and logic..."

Another half-truth. It also is based on allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, and on respect for the rule of law.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Would that be the same kind of "ignorance of facts, repeating of slogans and myths", that caused eveyone associated with this regime, including the press, to place preliminary blame for the Boston bombing on "angry white Christian males"? A big part of securing our border, is to protect us from fanatical, radicalized muxlims from eastern and mid easter countries, even though BHO and fellow leftists have big soft spots in their heart for such deginerates!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I have a dream...

that my children will live in a country with no illegal immigrants

Obey the law or don't come to my country!

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Haha.. that caused eveyone associated with this regime, including the press, to place preliminary blame for the Boston bombing on "angry white Christian males"? What in the world do you listen to? That is a blatantly false statement. Within two hours of the blasts I stood ten feet from both the CNN and MSNBC crews and listened to them reporting how they had no idea who had done this. There was plenty of speculation as to whether this was home grown or foreign terrorism, and if it was home grown was it a Timothy McVeigh type or a local Jihadist. Nobody was placing blame however they simply had no information.

BHO and his fellow leftists have a big soft spot for radicalized Muslims..really? If you believe that I invite you to sit and have a cup of coffee with one of these radicalized Muslims in an open café somewhere in Pakistan while one of those little drones is flying overhead.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Re: Chris

When did this country become ours? When did we gain the moral high ground in this issue? Pretty sure a couple hundred thousand Native Americans would disagree.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Where was the conservative "outrage" for the GOP do something about border security under GW Bush when the Republicans controlled both houses of congress?

Can anyone tell me the legislation that was passed then?

Yes, the borders are still porous today. Just like they have been for years.

Basically, it is much easier to complain about what the other guy does (or doesn't do) than it is to push YOUR guy to do something.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

I fear that the only reason our border is currently "secure" is because of the economy. Once jobs begin to grow at pre-financial crisis rates, I doubt the border will remain secure for long.

Comprehensive immigration reform needs to turn off the job magnet (for illegals) permanently, otherwise it is not reform at all but just a jobs program for Latin America.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Saying because interdictions are up and the problem is fixed is like saying since you’ve staunched the bleeding from the slit wrists and the patient is OK, but you ignore the severed femoral arteries. And the blood from the wrists is still oozing.

Just because you plug 1 or 2 holes does not mean you can deny the 37 other holes.

Pragmatist,
It may not have been the lamestream media, but LDS? lib and other liberal posters on the board were screaming how it had to be some right-wing Christian gun-nut. LDS? lib even said he’d apologize if it turned out otherwise. He has not, but has continued to attack conservatives.

Claudio,
1776 - and again when the constitution was ratified. The Louisiana Purchase, Treaty of Hidalgo, and the Gadsen Purchase also had something to do with it. Surprised you know so little of our history that you would have to ask.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Uber-Conservatives won't feel secure until America looks like the former East Germany - complete with concrete walls, barbed wire, and machine gun nests - from Sea to shining Sea.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

I guess it depends on how you define secure...

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

It may not have been the lamestream media, but LDS? lib and other liberal posters on the board were screaming how it had to be some right-wing Christian gun-nut. LDS? lib even said he’d apologize if it turned out otherwise. He has not, but has continued to attack conservatives.

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I NEVER said right-wing "Christian".
I said right-wing "Religous" nut-job.

I was correct about that.

And FYI - I did apologized for it not being a Tea-Partier.

Guns are not going to secure the borders.
Prosectuting crooked greedy businesses who exploit cheap illegal labor, thereby encouraging and rewarding them for breaking the law - will.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

JoeBlow,
legislation passed during the bush administration to build the fence and improve other border security measures. BO would do NOTHING like that - IF IF IF there has been any improvement in interdictions, it is BECAUSE of the legislation passed by the bush administraiton.

LDS? lib,
thanks for the apology - didn't think you had it in you.

but I see you are still in denial - radical muslims are NOT right-wing - they are leftist.

and it is BO and his ilk that are creating a US stassi, not conservatives

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Why can't we just all get along and do ONLY legal immigration. The rest of the world does it that way. Mexico does it that way, Guatemala does it that way, Brazil, Philippines, Sudan, etc. Problem solved. Viva LEGAL immigration.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

...but I see you are still in denial - radical muslims are NOT right-wing - they are leftist.

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Let's look at the evidence shall we...

They are against:

Abortion
Premarital sex
Homosexuality
Pornography
Drugs and Alcohol
and that the West has fallen into moral decay and they are merely trying to obey God's will to clease the earth.

They believe God's laws supercede Man's laws
and whatever death and destruction they cause, it is God's will and NOT their own.

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Pretty much 100% right-wing.

BTW - I have yet to ear any of THAT rhetoric coming from the tree-hugging, bra-burning, Anti-War lefties.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Apparentally the pro-amnesty advocates think if they lie often enough, and get enough OTHERS to lie for them they can get their way. That only works if people are misinformed. Commenters here aren't.

Prior to 2009 when border patrol was out patrolling the border and came across folks trying to make it across they would stop them, usually supply them with drinking water, and/or maybe some granola bars or other snacks and point them back south.
Those individuals weren't counted as "deportations".

After Obama was elected, they were.

"Apprehensions" are when the illegal trespassers (usually) AGREE to be processed through a border patrol station. They get a cursory physical, usually something to eat, and are sent back. I think they also get fingerprinted, but I may be mistaken about that.
Most of the individuals, if they are about to be apprehended just go back on their own. Usually just move down the border a ways, or wait a day or two and try again. They mostly don't want to be fingerprinted.

"Interdictions" and "apprehensions" are one and the same thing since 2009.
Thats why the statistics are so inflated.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

JoeBlow

I was here. Actually, I was in high school doing a report on it for one of my classes.

I have had the same positions for each president and their politics. I did not like Bush for his immigration and I do not like Obama for his.

There is a big problem with inconsistency in this country on both sides. Republicans will do something and Dems will call it bad. Then the Dems will do the exact same thing and the Reps will call it bad. Let's be consistent everybody. If it's bad for one side, it's bad for the other as well.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"There is a big problem with inconsistency in this country on both sides."

No Argument there from me.

I seldom defend the Dems, but I do point out that the GOP has done the same thing that Obama gets blasted for daily on these boards.

I think that the Clinton Quote is applicable to both sides.

"It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did"

Or it could be re-written.

"it takes some brass to attack a guy for not doing what you didn't do"

I applaud consistency. I find fault in both parties, and say so daily on this board.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

LDS? Lib,

you have come out strongly in favor of gay marriage and abortion and everything else you say the muslims condemn. but just because they oppose what you support does not automatically make them right-wing. after all, they welcome the open borders you espouse

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"If the writer's unsupported, unsupportable blather is an indication of the quality of information disseminated by the tiny, unknown organization he claims to direct, I guess it's a good thing we've never heard of it."

@procuradorfiscal - and exactly where are your facts? Your numbers? Your stats to back up your claims?

You may be right.... but you supply not one shred of evidence to support your statements other than very thinly vailed opinion passed as fact. If your going to make the above statement, you sure had better do better yourself.... but alas.... nothing.

Convince us. Support your statements with something other than passion.

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