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Published: Monday, May 6 2013 11:22 p.m. MDT

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Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The supply increases the demand and the demand increases the supply. As we have ever more welfare programs, there will always be ever more demand for it! As the demand for more welfare increases the cry for more supply increases. That is why we will never solve poverty or homelessness with government programs. I am not advocating "hate" crimes (whatever that is) but isn't it interesting that the problem never seems to go away, even with trillions of welfare dollars we throw at the problem every year? Its like chewing on a very tough steak, it just keeps getting bigger and bigger until it will eventually choke you!

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

Hate crime laws are unconstitutional.
We are supposed to have equal protection under the law. Hate crime laws treat "protected classes" differently than the general population.
One purpose of the first amendment is to prevent the government from punishing a person for their opinions and beliefs. Hate crime laws provide for "enhanced penalties" for those who commit crimes motivated by their beliefs.

This is flat out wrong and unconstitutional.

People should be held accountable for what they do, not what they think. All men deserve equal protection under the law regardless of the so called "protected classes". This has no place in a classless society.

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

I don't hate them but I do fear them. Remember Elizabeth Smart, why we should trust those homeless?

Kellie Wood
Orem, UT

Wow, a lot of ignorant comments about the homeless on here. There are just as many homeless engineers, RN's, and teachers, as there are homeless criminals. It's scary to think that good well-educated people can fall through the cracks but they do through no fault of their own, and it can happen to you. And when it does, you'll wake up and realize that we need to help our brothers and sisters and stop judging them. That's the test though: who is willing to put their hand in their pocket and pull out the cold-hard cash? Some refuse to give unless it's through a charity, even when a starving man sits right in front of them! Unless we have charity we can't be saved in the Kingdom of God. Don't give cash to obvious alcoholics or drug addicts but we can buy them a meal and steer them towards rehab or state hospitals.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Kellie Wood,

Just curious if you have any support for your claim there are as many homeless engineers and RN's as homeless criminals?

Or did you pull that out of the sky?

Please tell!

Samuel the Liberalite
Farmington, UT

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

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YOUR comments are the epitome of the Latter-Day Nephites.
They reflect those in the Book of Mormon, right before they were completely destroyed.

Everything Mormon ever tried to warn us about!

Sad it has come to this....again.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Kellie. Have you actually ever meet a homeless engineer, RN or teacher? I would like to meet them. What you will find is homeless drug addicts, alcoholics or mentally ill people. No need to judge them, be cruel to them and yes, it is compassionate to try to help them but sometimes they need to help themselves, otherwise nothing changes.

George
New York, NY

@mountainman, chris, rock and Dew
I worked with the homeless in SL for 6 years. While certainly not the rule I did meet on occasion the homeless person with advanced degrees. People become homeless for many reasons including the ones you list but if you look at the research the most common reasons are job loss (very often due to injury) and medical bills. The research also shows that over 70% of the homeless work. The high profile people you see walking the streets talking to themselves actually only represent a very small portion of the homeless. There are some really great examples of how we can have a positive effect on reducing homelessness (including long term homelessness) the Road Home, a private nonprofit, is a great example of the difference that can be made. The National Coalition for the Homeless actually has a great deal of information and references to the research on their website for those that care to learn the facts.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

George
New York, NY
@mountainman, chris, rock and Dew

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I've worked with countless Aerospace Engineers at Boeing, ATK and MicroSoft who have been homeless at some time in their lives.

You guys tend to lump and sterotype everyone into your own worst nightmare,
thinking homelessness is a Life-Long situation.
It isn't.
Sometimes it's for only a few days, maybe weeks or months or possibly even years.
But rarely, and I mean RARELY is homelessness a chosen way of 80+ years of life.

And by reading most of your past posts,
I've noticed you make this same sort of false assumption believing all Muslims are terrorists,
all Democrats are evil,
all Republicans are honest,
and all Mormons are Republicans.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Still no evidence from anyone backing up what Kellie said?

Still waiting?

Nope?

Didn't think so.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Samuel and LDS liberal. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, things I didn't say and do not appear anywhwere in the Book of Mormon whatsoever! Your comments about my comments are baloney!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT
Still no evidence from anyone backing up what Kellie said?

Still waiting?

Nope?

Didn't think so.

2:56 p.m. May 7, 2013

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@Chris B

The majority (40%) are White.
40% of the homeless are military Veterans.
and 33% are children.

Oh, and BTW --
I will be happy to add you to the list of Heartless Conservatives with continually mistaken sterotypes - listed above.

jsf
Centerville, UT

I truly feel for the homeless for what ever reason they are there. Some by choice but, many by no choice of their own. "But by the grace of God go I."

But really Liberal it can be safely said that by reading most of your posts,
I've noticed you make this same sort of false assumption believing all Tea Party members are terrorists, all Republicans are evil, all Democrats are honest, and all historic Mormon, biblical, prophets and general authorities of good standing are Socialist Marxists.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

A note to all those who take exception to my earlier comment:

My comment was exclusively about hate crimes. It did not mention, let alone judge the homeless. It is very clear to me that hate crime laws violate the constitution in multiple ways. That is all I was saying.

My heart goes out to the homeless. Many just need a hand up and we should never tolerate abusing these people. They are somebody's brother, sister, son or daughter. They are sons and daughters of God.

I have worked at Boeing for 22 years and I have never met one single Engineer who was homeless. I think that somebody is making things up as they go.

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