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Published: Monday, May 6 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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techpubs
Sioux City, IA

There are multiple problems to solve before any reform can take place:
1. In 86 we were promised worker verification and secure borders. Didn't happen yet. Needs to be completed before we discuss any more changes.
2. If it's too expensive and time-consuming to apprehend and deport these people, how much more expensive and time-consuming will it be to run a complete background check on each of them?
3. Will their applications be placed behind those who are already legally in line 5, 10, or 15 years from now when they can finally apply for citizenship?
4. How many more will be encouraged to break our laws if we let them stay?

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Why won't the DesNews print comments that are against this proposal, based upon the tactics the supporters are showing? That is not a fair and open debate. Amnesty isn't the only answer but it's the only answer getting any press.

Question two: How do you justify the stealing of children's identities to allow others to work, yes, even when they are just trying to support their family? With this, the end justifies the means.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

With the smile on Senator Schumer's face, Senator Rubio should fear the lash on his back as the Freshman Senator from Florida marked as a Tea-Party victor. Senator McCain knows that feeling as you can see on his face.

There are a lot of unknowns with the immigration bill. Vote on it and then figure out the repercussions for all. The black and white part of immigration is once you cross the border without papers, that is a violation of the law, whether in the gray area or not. Papers indicate compliance. No papers, whether the employer, border crosser or coyote, that is not legal to do. Have we allowed errors or non-compliance? Yes, knowingly and unknowingly.

With the access Cubans had to enter the United States of America for Senator Rubio's family and a lot of Florida's residents was due to the Castro and Russia regimes where we allowed them asylum to get away from the Communism of the day. We almost went to war with Russia over Cuba. It is not the same with most people crossing the borders.

They want freedoms and a better life. People pay with papers for that.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

If this legislation passes it will be the largest fraud on lower to middle income Americans ever perpetrated.

Illegal/unethical employers get to reap the benefits of cheap labor, while ALL the rest of us are stuck with the real employee costs.

Don't believe for a minute there will EVER be any enforcement. The Obama administration is doing everything it can to STOP enforcement. Why would they change with a "new" law?

The time is NOW to email Sens. Hatch and Congressman Matheson and ask them to vote NO.

The issue really isn't partisan. ALL legal American taxpayers should be opposed to it.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The administrations since 1986 haven't dealt with the process of voting identification to clarify who is authorized to vote and who isn’t. They are afraid to deal with that problem and the courts have worked their way around that political situation. If it is not dealt with, we will be similar to the Romans of old that allowed people from their conquered area to become citizens but didn’t take any classes on what citizenship requires.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

This bill is calculated to help illegal aliens, The Chamber of Commerce, unions, Latino activist groups and politicians looking for votes.
All these special interest groups are balancing the burden on the backs of American citizens.
Legalizing those who have trespassed here rewards unlawful behavior and does nothing to deter future illegal aliens. Such a scheme also means lower wages, unemployment and stress to our social programs.

So, the pro-amnesty people get the benefits and we get the bill.
Just say NO.

The article also paints a picture that the left is doing things right this time around. Yet the crowds of May Day protesters was very light, about 2,000 in Chicago. And the OFA rallies the next day were anemic (15 people in LA; 9 in SLC). Not what I'd call a groundswell of support for amnesty.

Carson
Provo, UT

Wake up America! No Amnesty, the only answer is Nationwide E-verify. Mandatory for all!

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...the conservative Heritage Foundation released a report saying that the legislation would cost taxpayers $2.6 trillion, including benefits to immigrants and other expenditures. Although the analysis was disputed it carried weight with GOP lawmakers. Now under the leadership of former Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., another lead opponent of the legislation in 2007, Heritage was releasing an updated version of that report on Monday claiming that the new bill costs a whopping $6.3 trillion...".

Then 2.6...Now 6.3...

The heritage Foundation could not cook the books to make it a symmetrical SWAG... like 6.2...?

RichardB
Murray, UT

"immigration reform would boost the economy by growing the labor market"

The labor market grows by adding jobs, not labor. We are not creating labor, we are replacing labor. Just ask the 14.7% of Americans looking for full time work.

In 2007 the US government put the cost of deportation at 94 billion for 12 million. With no self deportation laws like E-verify.

They broke the law like hundreds of thousands of Americans. Robber, burglars, id theft, go to jail without a wimper and have their families separated. It's time to enforce our laws, including going after business.

kosimov
Riverdale, UT

Nothing we can say or do will do any good until we, the American people, regardless of our party affiliation or our opinions, come together and hold our lawgivers and lawmakers responsible for not telling us the truth, and not fulfilling the oath of their office; they don't even worry about keeping it secret because there are no consequences when their actions become known, since there are too many people who also do the same thing at their level and thus, would harm their schemes if they stood up for the truth. Since the beginning of time there have always been people who are willing to deceive others to have more for themselves than they can legally earn, and more power than they should be trusted with, and those kinds of people are more abundant now than ever before. All branches of our Government have become weakened and corrupt at various levels as those we elect and are appointed to positions of public trust use their power and authority to enrich themselves, and to do many other things in their own self interest rather than for the good of the country. We cannot recover until this is stopped.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

I am wondering if the various accounting and accountability offices value that price tag on something that is not known completely. That is a lot of money and people will still take advantage of our generosity until we are broken and don't have our freedoms in return. We have been a special nation for hundreds of years. We want that to exist for hundreds more. However, a line has to be drawn on budgeting and what that price tag is. AHCA was passed and still very few have read it that signed it. They haven't had time as they have been in elections and campaigning since then. Some have lost their seats and more will lose their seats with this bill also. Senator Schumer knows he has Senator Rubio where he wants him. He is the Golden Boy for this bill since he is a Cuban and a Republican. Over the past 50 years our government at the various levels have not fulfilled their obligations for their duties as elected public officials. They have become more like Hollywood than statesmen and stateswomen. They twist data to define "is" for us through their media forums, not in God we trust.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Does anyone here really think it is justified for illegals, who may become legal later, to get any public benefits that American citizens don't. For instance, in-state college tuition because they have been living illegal in that state, whereas an American citizen from some other state has to pay out of state tuition? California is doing that right now, and probably others. Plus illegals get drivers licenses, ect. If you agree with these things, then tell us just what on Earth is being a citizen of the United States of America worth in the first place? And don't say vote, don't get started on illegals voting.

As for the point of the article. Gee you think that it will cost billions? Everytime these politicians take a breath it costs billions.

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

I don't believe these numbers for a second. This is typical of the fear tactics that have been used to torpedo any kind of reform in the past.

Having said that, I don't think the discussion should be about path to citizenship. It should be about path to legal status. I believe the vast majority of illegals come here for opportunity, not for handouts.

RWSmith6
Providence, UT

When we talk about immigration reform pro or con, we should remember that immigrants came here for better lives. They heard jobs were available in the U.S.and found them when they arrived. Legal or not, they found the jobs and were employed--in many cases for decades. Employers knew the rules but needed the cheap labor. The legislation designed to change all that in 1986 was never enforced regularly or uniformly

Now we've changed our mind. But not so fast. Those who employed immigrants are as much a part of our immigration "problem" as the immigrants. In advertising it's called "bait and switch"--offering one thing and fulfilling with another.

Honesty requires that we own up to the "problem" being much more than just the immigrants being here illegally. It's also very much about employers who employed the immigrants, legislators (like Orrin Hatch) who didn't push for enforcement, and years and years passing before we changed our mind. Maybe even most important, it's about human beings who have lived here, raised children here, and, all of a sudden, face an uncertain future.

What's the humane solution?

prelax
Murray, UT

Legal immigrants come for a better life. Those who come here illegally come for better jobs, endangering family and themselves. They know they are breaking the law, and they know they could be caught and sent home.

Same with business, they don't need cheap labor, but it helps them make more money. Both need to be dealt with.

The bill being discussed includes people up to 2011, they have not been here to set roots. Many Americans set roots, only to move for work. American criminals set roots, only to lose them when breaking the law. Are those laws inhumane? What about an economy that forces Americans to move, is that humane?

AmberDru
Xenia, OH

Sounds like an undercount to me. Once gaining legal status they can bring even more relatives from grandma, to any kids left back in their home country. I bet the 6.3 trillion doesn't include that. No does it include the cost of their schooling that will take place here and not in the home country, and the medical care that they supposeably don't get but we can read cases of where they do get long term continuous medical care in the paper everyday.

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