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Published: Friday, May 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

"I also know that faithful Muslims despise terrorism just as much as anyone else"

Actually this is only partially true. Muslims - especially outside of America are taught in their scripture as well as in their holy buildings the simple and clear principle of intolerance and even hate toward those that are not Muslim - the 'infidels' - as they call them which amounts to ANYONE who will not submit to Muslim teachings. In their scripture they are taught to kill Christians and Jews. Moderate Muslims simply have to ignore these satanic teachings...but they are intimidated to speak against them fore sure. There is a peaceful side to the Muslim faith and there certainly is an ugly and even evil side of the faith as well which is why every terror attack has Muslims attached to it - all PC aside.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

truthseeker,

you are WAAAAYYY off-topic.

Benjamin's speech was about not withholding aid to a poor man because you judge he has brought the misery onto himself, not about jumping to conclusions about a criminal act and who might have perpetrated it.

But then, I must commend you as I do not recall that you were one of the regular leftist posters who immediately said the Boston bomber HAD to be right-wing gun freaks and dared anyone to speculate that it was a muslim extremist

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

1% of the US population is Muslim.

Why aren't just 1% of terrorist attacks in our country done by Muslims?

If there was no correlation between Islam and terrorism, they would commit no more terrorist attacks than their percentage of the population.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

"I don't know much about the Muslim faith."

And so forth.

Benevolus
Fruit Heights, UT

"In Utah... we should know better"

Ms Gochnour's implication seems to be the type of broad brush judgement she is lecturing us about. From my worldview, I haven't seen the average American, including Utahns, engage in the Muslim bashing she fears. Not after the first trade center bombing, the second one on 9/11 - including the Pentagon and PA attacks, the Fort Hood shooting, the Trolley square shootings, or the other 30+ Islamic inspired attacks on Americans, in America since 9/11, not to mention the litany of atrocities that occur in the name of Jihad on a daily basis throughout the world. I figure Ms Gochnour hasn't either, or she wouldn't need to reference a story that happened over 70 years ago, which actually didn't involve Muslims.

I also wonder about Ms Gochnour's hope for a non-Muslim to be implicated in the Boston bombings. If a person associated with the Tea Pary (much maligned and slandered by the left) was responsible, would Ms Gochnour be as quick to defend non-responsible Tea Partiers as she is with Muslims? Her hypocritical opinion of her fellow citizens doesn't make me hold my breath.

Ted H.
Midvale, UT

Why would you hope there isn't a Muslim connection? What a horrible thing to wish. It would be better if a white Christian had done this? What a sick world we live in if we're so in love with being PC that we're hoping what we believe might be true isn't true, just to maintain our beloved PC denial. Pathetic. There was another terrorist attack by Muslims. Sorry that is worse to you than a white Christian doing it. And what's your response now that it was confirmed to be two Muslims, who apparently have become more religions the past several years? Try and believe their religion isn't the reason? What a pathetic response

DVCPro
Salt Lake City, UT

I find it refreshing that someone could be this honest about their reaction to the horrible events in Boston. Claiming that her original thought was one of hope that Muslims were not involved seems both authentic and compassionate. Had it been any other group of people behind the attacks the actions would have been just as bad, but the potential backlash toward an entire religion would not.

I agree with Ms. Gochnour that we all need to look at individuals responsible for their actions and use caution in painting with a broad brush of judgement. It's not just politically incorrect to blame a large group of people for the rouge actions of a few, it is wrong altogether.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Lost

Strangely, my comment was removed from DN.

The title of this DN article is: "Boston Bombings Remind Us To Not Judge Unfairly."

I then recommended a talk by Dallin H. Oakes on judging.

In his talk there was a segment which Dallin H. Oakes stated, "The scriptures give a specific caution against judging where we cannot know all the facts. King Benjamin taught:"

So please explain how a talk about judging, on an article talking about judging is "off-topic or disruptive."

The circumstances might be different--but the underlying topic is judging unfairly, no?

Mr. Bean
Pheonix, AZ

Patriot go it right.

Islam's holy writ instructs that the infidel must either convert or be put to death. Their leaders have made it known they are at war with western nations. It's not a war where the enemy is met on a battle field. It's a holy war (jihad) where each adherent decides how to best engage. That's why we have 9/11, the underwear bomber, Fort Hood massacre, Boston Marathon bombing, etc., with just singles or small groups involved. The radicalization begins in the youth for almost all members. And once a Muslim always a Muslim.

Of course there are peace-loving Muslims. But it doesn't require alotta radicalism to cause terror and death... So, let's see how many there might me. There are about 1.3 billion Muslims in the world today. Let's say that just one half of one percent are radicals bent on terrorist activities. That would put the number at about one million (if my math is correct). That's alotta terrorism.

What's the answer? Certainly it's not banning words such as 'radical terrorism,' as our president seems wont to do.

FT1/SS
Virginia Beach, VA

This article reminds me that the country has fallen asleep against radical muslims. "self-radicalization" several moderate muslims have stated about 3-5 million muslims are radicalized, I call that Group Radicalization. I would suggest that the writer visit some muslim websites that are hosted outside the United States where the common theme is "We'll invade you with your democracy, and conquer you with our religion", which includes moderate muslims, and read the Quran. Boston Strong? What is that? There were several that ran toward the blast to help, I applaud them. But there were more that ran away, some that looted, 1 million that stayed indoors while the feds searched there homes and then only celebrated when all was clear, and today there are those that have come out to boo a hearst. Maybe that's Boston Strong.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Chris B
Because we as a nation have a tendency to label crimes committed by white Americans as something like murders (like the mass shootings we've seen lately) but anything done by someone who looks kinda different or is from another place or has a different faith than that which most Americans have... their crimes are deemed to be terrorism.

@Ted H
" It would be better if a white Christian had done this? "

Actually... to some extent yes, it would be better because at least there wouldn't be a backlash against white or Christian people because of it as there is for foreigners or Muslims. We can already see the anti-Muslim bigotry in other comments.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

As some have pointed out, there are a lot of Muslims in the world. 1.6 billion or so. A recent poll stated that about 40% of that group say it is OK to use violence for the cause of Islam. And if (if my math is correct) "only" 1% of Muslims were radicalized to the point of actual terriorist activities, that would be an army of over 10 million terriorists worldwide. This war on terror will go on until the 2nd coming, and it is the toughest war free people will fight because it is not centered in any particular country like say Germany or Japan or the Soviet Union. The only way to win is to keep fighting and not let ourselves be defeated.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Re: atl34

You can bet that if the bomber had been identified as a "right wing" extremist, there would not be any PC coming his way. Ask yourself what you would have said. Would it have been don't judge conservative people because of one or two crazies, or would you have gotten on the bandwagon with all the media types that would have condemned talk radio, right wing websites, the NRA, FOX News ect?

Re: Truthseeker

I would like to remind you that when 911 happened, President Hinckley in his October Conference talk did not preach non-violence and forgiveness. He reminded us that the world has Gaddaianton robbers in it and there are times when you just have to fight for your freedom. He did "judge" that the group that did the 911 attack should be responded to with action.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@m.g.scott
"Ask yourself what you would have said. Would it have been don't judge conservative people because of one or two crazies, or would you have gotten on the bandwagon with all the media types that would have condemned talk radio, right wing websites, the NRA, FOX News ect? "

I consider the assassination of George Tiller (abortion provider in Kansas) to be terrorism and find the threats made against anyone who tries to bring that clinic back to be terrorism. I can distinguish between the actions of some radical pro-life extremists from the vast majority of pro-lifers in this nation who do not consider violence an acceptable means to an end.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Percent of terrorist acts, since 1980, committed on US soil by Muslims: 6
Percent of terrorist acts committed on US soil by Extreme Left Wing Groups: 24

-- FBI statistics

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