@lost and ChrisAnd just like the conversation we had yesterday and the day
before that and probably have again tomorrow the 25 Muslim Terrorist that have
attacked our country represent less than .0004 percent of the Muslim population
in this country. So if we are going to start to list the religions of people
that represent such a small proportion of their religion when the kill someone
we better start doing so with all murders or at less with mass killings. Can we
just go back and start cutting and pasting past conversations at this point?
As I recall it,Most of the Mobbings against the early Latter-Day Saints -
and the blantant disregard for their Constitutional rights, and even murders --
were perpituated by Religous rivals.Yes, religion IS to blame for
many of the atrousities in the world.And they are not unique to Islam,
Chris B.There is plenty of blame to go around.
Jsf - “Kind of like the mass murders by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot,
Hitler, Saddam Hussein…”True, but none of these folks
arose in societies where democracy, reason and secular humanism were deeply
embedded in the social fabric. They were all highly dogmatic, crushed all
dissent, and in many cases actively exploited the religions and ideologies of
their societies.What you don’t see is those folks rising to
power in countries like ours, Canada, Western Europe & Japan (post WWII),
Australia and New Zealand. All highly secular (ours being the exception) and
democratic.But what makes religion unique (and scary) is that it is
taboo to criticize, even though some of the beliefs found in the world’s
religions are not only incompatible with each other but ludicrous and
anti-social.Given our 21st century destructive technology, I think
we’ll be lucky to survive our religious differences for another century or
jsfCenterville, UTAnd how many children have been murdered in
abortion clinics. There are two sides to Islam, religion, and political. Maybe
we would be safe to say this was a terror act for the sake of an Islamic
Political State.======== Actually -- Aborations
are illegal in Islamic States.That is a huge underlying factor to the
radical extremeists hatred toward the West.BTW - this is not much
different than radical Christian extremeists who commit acts of terror.Maybe we would be safe to say those terror acts are for the sake of a
Christian Political State as well.The beauty is our Founding Fathers
meant to keep that seperation between them.
And how many children have been murdered in abortion clinics. There are two
sides to Islam, religion, and political. Maybe we would be safe to say this was
a terror act for the sake of an Islamic Political State.Religion
enables things that reason and conscience cannot. Kind of like the mass murders
by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Saddam Hussein, all based on the reason
and conscience of non religious progressive individuals for the benefit of the
pragmatistferlifesalt lake city, utahpotato..patahto..whether your
religion motivates you to kill others or just to believe that a few cells
rhthymicly respoinding to one another in a six week old fetus is a functioning
infant it's religion that informs and motivates you. There's nothing
intrinsicly moral or scientific about either concept..just opinion.7:47 a.m. April 30, 2013============= Agreed.BTW -- How many aboration clinics have been blown up, and Doctors have been
shot for this very same REASON - religous extremeists, all done in the name of
God - and not surprisingly, Christians in America....isn't that right
Religion enables things that reason and conscience cannot.
@Chris BSeriously every thread Chris? Again the 22 terrorist that
have attacked the US in the name of Islam account for less than .0004 percent of
the Muslim population in the US which would mean if .004 percent is significant
enough to condemn an entire religion then it would follow that the fact that the
US is 1% of Muslim alone is significant enough to condemn all Americans.
The second most horrendous terrorist act in American history was by a
card-carrying NRA member, Tim McVeigh. The third was at Mountain Meadows. No
Muslims in sight.
This "religion-is-the-culprit" spin by the press is quite pathetic:
let's not call it Islamic extremism or terrorism — let's blame
the religious nuts! ========If it walks like a duck,
swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck....Meanwhile -- Self
Radicalized Spilnter groups exist in ALL religions, even in the USA:Jim
Jones and the People's Temple, David Koresh and Branch Davidians,
Heaven's Gate, the FLDS to name just a few.BTW -- Don't
forget the other 9/11 terrorists who committed mass murder in the name of God --
Moutain Meadows Massacre - Sept. 11, 1857.BTW - Chris BSalt Lake City, UTWe are growing tired of your daily anti-Muslim
bigotry.I could name 10 times as many terrorist acts committed in the U.S.
It’s a distinction without a difference Jim. And it all starts with
believing things without good evidence. True, most people are able
to compartmentalize their ideas enough to where this doesn’t create a
problem but the folks who “go off the reservation” are often the
ones who take their religion and its sacred books the most seriously. They
actually read all the Bronze Age commands to barbarism without sugar coating or
seeing it all as anachronistic. The problem is not a few nut jobs.
The problem is the source material of the monotheistic religions and until we
wake up from our politically correct stupor and recognize that reality, these
books will continue to derange the vulnerable and Balkanize the planet. If you think I’m off base, consider the following – if the
Middle East were to slide into chaos and culminate in a mushroom cloud over
Jerusalem, after getting over the initial horror, what percentage of Christians
would see a silver lining in this catastrophe? What percentage would see this as
a prelude to the greatest thing that can happen… the return of Jesus? This is why non-believers don’t see a big difference…
Has no one heard of the term "blowback?"
potato..patahto..whether your religion motivates you to kill others or just to
believe that a few cells rhthymicly respoinding to one another in a six week old
fetus is a functioning infant it's religion that informs and motivates you.
There's nothing intrinsicly moral or scientific about either concept..just
There are "religious nuts" that just take an extreme view, without being
violent about it, and there are "religious nuts" that believe their
religious commitment justifies violence, such as the Boston Marathon bombing.
There is a big difference.
Muslims make up 1% of the USA population. Interesting that
significantly higher than 1% of terrorist stacks in our country are carried out
in the name of Allah. Probably just coincidence. I
guessed on the day of the bombings it was Muslims. Many on these boards told me
I would be wrong and that it was likely an NRA card carrying Christian. Lucky guess by me I guess, only had a 1% chance of being right.