@DN SubscriberAs a volunteer for the Obama Campaign, I worked in
Toledo, Ohio for 6 months in a get out the vote effort.You talk like you
know it all but the defeat of the Republican Presidential Candidate was in a
great part the fault of the Candidate himself and the total lack of organization
in Ohio.Romney spent millions on television ads that were obvious lies.
ie, a claim that Jeep was closing its plant in Toledo to move to China. Fact,
Jeep is opening a plant in China and the parts will be manufactured in Toledo
increasing jobs in Ohio. This was in the final 2 weeks of the campaign. The Obama "machine" was comprised of thousands of volunteers like me
that worked 14 hour days to put Obama back in office.Out of touch old
white men scare me. Oh yeah, I'm an old white man.. oh well..
worfMcallen, TXAnd you still believed that everyone could get
a 20% across the board tax cut, without loosing a single Government
program, and STILL decrease the deficeit?The Romney/Ryan plan
was a campaign promise NOBODY could have kept - and everyone knew it [except of
course FoxNews, Karl Rove, and the fringe right wing minority who believed
@RichardBDead people have houses, driver's licenses, insurance
policies, emails, memberships to racquetball clubs, get free coupons, new car
quotes, and win trips to Vegas, but they don't get excited about it. ....and Bush v. Gore was the biggest voter fraud to date.
George--I'll do some research. It from from several sources.Problem with voters:Without reading or knowing anything about it,
our people voted in a president who promoted the largest spending bill in
history. Something which is transforming us into a third world country.
@worf The data I quoted came from the Pennsylvania Department of State
(election board) exactly when was this article in the USA today because I can
find no articles related to your claims? It may be wise to remember
that easily disproven claims do not contribute anything to the conversation
Bored to the point of THIS!--What can you contribute that may be of benefit?
George: Check the Philadelphia District. That's how it was presented in
the USA Today paper.
1st step in the 12 step program...admitting that YOU have a
problem.Republicans will never admit it, will never get over
it, and will never win again.Sour Grapes.
You see a campaign ad and decide to not vote at all. The only suppression is
what you do to YOURSELF.
RE George (NY, NY)Please don't discourage "Worf" ...
he's always good for a laugh!
@richard bfunny a check of the official the federal and Indiana state
websites do not match your claims, care to give us some evidence to support any
of your claims because no I am not sure i believe any of them.
@alt123WHAT.....I have never heard any of what you claim, go look it up,
all the long lines where NOT in republican district, they were far and away in
dem districts. And all the fraud HAS been discussed, ad nausium....all were
performed in favor of the dems...wake up man, we are in a crisis time, we NEED
voter id to vote, why not, you all want to have background checks for gun
purchases, why, to make sure they are LEGALLY purchased right, why not have
voter id's, doesnt THAT make as much sense, i just dont understand the
dems...why not have id's to vote, unless you want to be fraudulent.
I'm assuming this data is from the last two presidential elections.
I'm also assuming that these voters only voted "once" and this
still resulted in a higher turnout than white voters. Hhmmmm, interesting.
@worf Romney received 91,840 or 14 percent the vote and Obama
received 557,024 or 85% of the vote in Philli. very similar or better numbers to
what obama got in many Idaho and Utah counties. maybe you should add
to your list the ability to tell the truth onca and a while
@New to Utah"they suppressed the vote of caucasion voters."That's illogical. We know how Republicans suppress votes (making it
harder to register, ID requirements, reduced early voting days, reducing the
number of polling places for early voting) but name anything Democrats have done
that suppresses votes?"They did this through viscious, dishonest
ads claiming Romney was guilty of being this comporate raider and laying off
employees and letting them die without health insurance."That's not voter suppression... that's just Romney not making a
strong case for himself. Besides there were plenty of lies thrown at Obama (for
instance, somehow doing what Gov. Herbert wanted on welfare turned into
"Obama wants to get rid of the work requirement for welfare", a complete
and total lie).
Democrats did to Republicans what they demogogue happens to them, they
suppressed the vote of caucasion voters. They did this through viscious,
dishonest ads claiming Romney was guilty of being this comporate raider and
laying off employees and letting them die without health insurance. The level of
dishonest and fraudulent ads and billions of dollars of union money to bring
Democrat voters to the polls worked. Blacks in America have suffered mightly
under Obama. Black unemployment is nearly 15% and those receiving food stamps,
housing assistance etc has increased. The media greatly contributed to the
election of Obama by being partisan and ignoring negative stories like Benghazi
and the economy and just blantly running stories favorable to Obama and attack
stories on Romney.Virginia,Ohio, Florida,Colorado and Nevada were bombarded for
6 months with non stop attack ads and it worked to suppress the vote and elect
Snopes has a good debunk of most of the claims of 2012 voter fraud. Fox probably
doesn't talk about it because most of it is pretty easily debunked.
Unfortunately most people never bother to search the internet for opinions and
facts that oppose what they want to hear. I don't doubt that there
is/was/will be some voter fraud. I don't believe it was enough to turn the
election, not by any stretch.
"While high levels of voter turnout are something to cheer, one must ask if
our country is well served when large numbers of people vote with no
understanding of the issues or the candidates."That is
incredibly dangerous thinking. I don't see it written anywhere that
knowledge of candidates and issues is a prerequisite to the right to vote.
Don't get me wrong I think everyone should be informed, but I absolutely
disagree that we should keep them from voting if they aren't.
Problems with voter registration does not equal voter fraud. That sounds like a
procedural issue. As I understand it, pretty much every state, including Utah,
is working toward cleaning up its voter registrations. How many of those dead
people actually voted? That would prove there is fraud occuring.
Thanks for the info, Richard. It comes up about miles short, however, of proving
anything. I note that many of the states you cite are, in fact, governed by
Republicans. The Ohio Sec. of State was in court trying to limit voter turnout
during the last week of the campaign, so he's hardly a neutral source on
anything. You can think what you like, but fixing a national
election through voter fraud would require perhaps a million people or more, all
willing to break the law for little or no payoff. It's impossible to
conceive that they could all keep any secret, let alone one of such importance
to the entire world. No sale.
RichardB--there were several districts where Romney got zero votes compared to
the millions for BO. Philadelphia was one.This country will not be
repaired until we set some new rules:* Term limits--President three
years, and all others two.* Only those with a HS degree or higher, and
not collecting a government handout may vote.Without this, our
country will dissolve.
Bet this is not what those who went and captured blacks in Africa and made them
slaves expected. Kind of seems like justice to me!
@ Mark BTo date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter
fraud.There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls
across the country.More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote
in more than one state.This year, True The Vote uncovered more than
348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states. ◦ California: 49,000◦ Florida: 30,000◦ Texas: 28,500◦ Michigan:
25,000◦ Illinois: 24,00012 Indiana counties have more
registered voters than residents.The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that
multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.Federal
records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter
registration.The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of
Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation
for alleged voter registration fraud.
Three cheers for a beloved and respected President, who brings people to the
polls to fight against those who would curtail their ability to vote by every
means possible. To those who sought to make voting lines longer and restrict
early voting in hopes of (in effect) rebuffing the 24th amendment? You lost.
Better said, you got it handed to you. Prepare to be on the wrong side of
history for a long, long time. Or, better yet? Drop the bitterness and join the
right team. This President is not perfect, but he is winning in a climate of
obstruction and partisanship. When our nation rebounds from the disaster that
was the arrogance of George W. Bush and the neo-cons, do you truly want to tell
your grandchildren that you spent most of your life fighting for the 1%?
According to the U.S. census of 2010 (U.S. Census Bureau) with a population of
309.3 million, African-Americans 12.57%. Hispanics 16.4%, German 15.48%, Irish
with Scotch-Irish 12.26%, English 8.38%, American (no ancestry) 6.46%, Italian
5.57%, Asian 4.76%, various other European groups 13.57%. The point is that it
would appear that the "tail is wagging the dog". African-Americans make
up 12.57% of the population while those of European ancestry make up 53.06%. If
you add in Hispanics at 16.4% and Asians at 4.76%, you have a significant block
which are traditional Democrats in the line of JFK. African-Americans have
formed a coalition with radical liberals against the Republican Party and, as
Mark Shields of PBS stated, there is a perceived empathy issue. European
immigrants are traditionally labor and this large group is being mesmerized by
the "smoke and mirrors" methods of entitlements for resdistribution of
income by the current masters of the Democratic Party. Traditional Democrats
have to reassert control. Bill Clinton even realized his responsibility.
Some would take this mobilization as a sign that our founders were right to
curtail democracy, etc. But I say, 'three cheers for turning the
election'.Switzerland demonstrates the benefits and
sustainability of true democracy. Given the choice between being ruled by
lobbies or being ruled by ourselves, warts and all, the latter is looking better
@DN Suscriber,Instead of something sinister, why not just accept the
fact that Obama inspired millions of his brothers and sisters to participate in
democracy? I've seen so many offices and cubicles of young African
Americans with pictures of President Obama. I'm happy he inspires them on
to something great. Compared to what they had to put up with a few short years
ago, this is progress for a significant portion of our society and lifts them
out of a downward spiral. It benefits us all when one part of us feels inspired
to take part in our country.
Last month it was the Hispanics that made the difference.
If there were any proof of voter fraud in 2012, we'd be hearing about it
night and day from Fox and every radio screamer with a mic. Sub doesn't
seem to realize that all the post 2010 election laws were intended to REDUCE
voter turnout for specific, including non-white, populations. Once a person is
registered, it should be easy to vote, not harder. The crack about "no
understanding of the issues" really just means "disagrees with ME".
And if largesse is going anywhere, it's to the Pentagon, paying for weapons
the DOD doesn't even want. Hooray for voters of all kinds who dealt with
the new hurdles and waited in lines for hours to vote. Shame on those whose goal
is making voting harder.
It is quite possible that the Obama machine, masters of the Chicago way, did
indeed turn out a higher percentage of black voters. Given the
prolonged efforts of the Democrats to gut voter ID laws, simplify voter
registration procedures to the point where fraudulent registration is
ridiculously easy, and the documented efforts to register people and their pets,
and documented cases of people voting multiple times, voter turnout information
is nearly meaningless. It would not be at all surprising to discover that 110%
of registered voters voted.While high levels of voter turnout are
something to cheer, one must ask if our country is well served when large
numbers of people vote with no understanding of the issues or the candidates.
It has been said "Democracy cannot survived when people discover
then can vote themselves the largesse from the public treasury." I fear we
have reached that point, with their power being the very goal of the Obama
I can hardly wait to hear the Tea Partiers rambling about what drove them to the