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Published: Sunday, April 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

There should be no amnesty/legalization at all. This will only signify that eventually, there will be another amnesty or legalization some time in the future. There is no way around it. They need to go back to their home countries.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Amen anti-liar. How many amnesties since the "Amnesty to end all Amnesties" in l986? I believe about 6. Now another for 33 million? Then in 2030 another for 66 million? Will we ever learn? Extremely doubtful. Tweak the number of visas but please no more amnesties. They don't work but rather just encourage more trespassers.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Oh, please. We can't control the border and we can't send people back while still remaining a free society. Amnesty was the right answer in '86, and it's the right answer now. You guys seem to think immigration is a bad thing. Nonsense.

Miss Piggie
Pheonix, AZ

We need to stop giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. Amnesty only brings more and more of the same as we can see with the 1986 Reagan amnesty bill.

And another thing, the borders can never be secured. This is a physical impossibility. There will always be ways around it.

And still another thing... the 'overstaying visas' problem is significant and probably bigger than border issue. Any immigration reform must include enforcement of visa laws.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Eric - There are Immigrants and there are Illegal migrants/aliens. Try to learn the difference.

Neanderthal
Pheonix, AZ

On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Russian Parliament, and gave a speech about the tensions with immigrants in Russia: "In Russia live Russians. Any immigrant, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law or anything else, then go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need immigrants and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they carry on.

We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture of most illegal immigrants. When the honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the immigrants are not Russians."

The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Yes, there are differences between legal and illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants won the green card lottery. Illegal immigrants didn't, and to feed their families committed a minor misdemeanor. Oh, and while here, are the most law-abiding and entrepreneurial people we have. HUGE differences, you're right.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

To win the "green card lottery" you must 1)Apply, 2)be patient 3)pass health test and have a background check as to your criminal record, 4)be patient, 5)pay fees, 6)be patient, 7)be interviewed, 8)be patient, 9)supply numerous documents regarding your education, etc. 10)be patient and then when the waiting time for your country comes you are selected to be an immigrant. Most potential immigrants while waiting their turn attend school to further their education and improve their English. On the other hand the illegal gets a letter from his cousin in the USA (also an illegal) who says these crazy politicians are going to give another amnesty so get up here ASAP and your in. So no waiting, pay a cayote, sneak in and steal an ID. Most illegals are from the country to the south which has the 14th or 15th best economy in the world, by world standands not a poor country. Check out Sudan or Bangledesh and some 180 other countries if you want to help out some really poor people.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

And all that patience is necessary because it's quite possible to do all those things and never get in. I would very much like to open the borders to folks from Sudan and Bangladesh. They would enrich our country tremendously. We need immigrants, lots of them. They're good for our economy. Meanwhile, to put your head in your hands and shriek "they're here illegally! ILLEGALLY, I SAY" does not constitute a policy. There is an answer, a simple and straightforward one. Amnesty. Followed by, for those who want it, a pathway to citizenship. There has never been a time in our nation's history when nativism hasn't opposed immigration from 'undesirable' groups, and always, in retrospect, nativism can clearly be shown to have been wrong.

No One Of Consequence
West Jordan, UT

"...while here, are the most law-abiding and entrepreneurial people we have."

How is it "law-abiding" to work in the untaxed cash economy or under stolen identification?

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

@Eric Samuelsen:
"Illegal immigrants didn't, and to feed their families committed a minor misdemeanor."

What?? There's no food in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc?

@Eric Samuelsen:
"And all that patience is necessary because it's quite possible to do all those things and never get in."

There's possibly 6 billion people in the world who'd like to get in. Face it, we can't take them all. Someone has to not 'get in.'

"We need immigrants, lots of them."

And we got immigrants, lots of them. And they come via the legal route.

"They're good for our economy."

They're not good for unemployed Americans who can't find jobs. Hows about giving up your job for them? I know people who've been laid off and the cheaper illegal got the job. Is that what you want?

"Meanwhile, to put your head in your hands and shriek "they're here illegally! ILLEGALLY, I SAY" does not constitute a policy."

The US has a policy... come legally or don't come.

"There is an answer, a simple and straightforward one. Amnesty."

Check around. They have amnesty. How many are sent home? Very few.

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