...sorry, Krauthammer misspelt revere, it is repute. And, they will ask why, or
how could you let this happen, and your answer will be "lack."
MountanmanHayden, IDAnother brilliant, insightful and truthful
article from Dr. Krauthammer. Brilliant if for no other reason than that it
exposes the hypocrisy of the left's criticism of a great leader.8:30 a.m. April 28, 2013============ Your post
received - what - "2" likes?Did you ever stop to think that
your opinion in the most Conservative newspaper, in the most conservative State
and you can't garner more "likes" than liberals -- that maybe just
MAYBE telling you how our of the "norm" or "extreme" you might
just be?Even preaching to the choir and you can't get more
"likes".Try taking your opinions and arguments to San
Fransico, Los Angles, New York, ect.Then - Come back and report how
popular and well received your opinions are there....
It seems a little soon to try to rewrite history Mr. Krauthammer. I think Bush
is a good man and tried to do the best he could unfortunately it is a pretty
major stretch to think the things that were done during his presidency are
something to be revered.
This blatant attempt to completely revise history is an absolute joke.
BadgerbadgerMurray, UTWastintime-You do realize that
enhanced interrogation techniques our military uses, were used on our own
military personnel, as training in case they are captured, right? We do those
things (you call them torture) to our own soldiers to prepare them. So is is
really so bad to do it to al-qaeda detainees to get the info we need to save
civilians from future attacks?Do you really prefer we allow them to
kill and maim the masses of civilians on our own soil?10:45 p.m.
April 28, 2013=============== Sources please.That is a LIE.Those tactics are illegal by the Geneva
Convention.And any country using them is subject to International War
Crimes.[Yes - America is the BAD guys alot of the times, espicially when
it comes to water torture amongst other things - landmines being another, but I
digress].The Communists wouldn't have even stooped the lowes
the Bush Adminstistration took us.
@Badgerbadgerl1) "You do realize that enhanced interrogation
techniques our military uses, were used on our own military personnel, as
training in case they are captured, right?"So are you saying
that because we prepare our troops to face chemical weapons, chemical weapons
are not WMD's? The fact that we attempt to prepare our soldiers in case
they are tortured, does not change the essence of torture or make it morally
correct.2) "Do you really prefer we allow them to kill and maim
the masses of civilians on our own soil?"Ahh... The good old
"false choice" argument to try to justify doing wrong. I reject your
false choice and maintain that torture is never the right thing to do, despite
any perceived short-term benefits. History will not treat the Bush
administration kindly for its unnecessary use of torture. As the Constitution
Project task force concluded, torture was used “in many instances”
in a manner that was “directly counter to values of the Constitution and
"You do realize that enhanced interrogation techniques our military uses,
were used on our own military personnel, as training in case they are captured,
right?"You do not know what you're talking about.
The most hilarious thing here is, because Obama's presidency has been so
pathetic, W actually looks pretty darn good, even to dems.
Wastintime-You do realize that enhanced interrogation techniques our
military uses, were used on our own military personnel, as training in case they
are captured, right? We do those things (you call them torture) to our own
soldiers to prepare them. So is is really so bad to do it to al-qaeda detainees
to get the info we need to save civilians from future attacks?Do you
really prefer we allow them to kill and maim the masses of civilians on our own
To Alfred:I disagree with the President on this as well. I disagree
with the President in staying engaged in Afghanistan and Iraq as much he
has/did. Again, unlike most on these boards, I'm not a liberal or
conservative crusader. I'm a Libertarian on many things and middle to the
road on many things looking at common sense solutions. I guess I would like
both Jon Huntsman and Ron Paul on many issues but still find Jon Stuart and
Stephen Colbert as funny as heck. My grade of the current President would be
generally as disappointing (to my liberal friends here), but I would give an
"I" grade until his term is finished, to be fair. But let's say
I've been less than impressed (so far but I will hold out hope and even
hope that I'm wrong on some things and the President is right and some of
his ideas actually work). He's continued on with some of Bush's lame
ideas and thrown in some of his own IMHO...
@wrzIf you're trying to justify the use of torture by someone
else using drones, that doesn't do it. Torture is wrong, was wrong, and
always will be wrong.
@Howard Beal:"Krauthammer seems to think warrantless wiretapping is a
good thing, I don't. I see it as a loss of our rights."Apparently Obama thinks it's a good thing, too. Since he's still
using it... As a matter of fact, he seems to like the Patriot Act, as well.
@Iron Rod:"I seem to remember George W. Bush telling the American
People that he wanted Congress to give him the authority to take military action
in Iraq as a negotiation tool...?"Doesn't matter what Bush
used as excuses. It is the responsibility of Congress to declare war... and
they did by authorizing the President to take military action. And he (Bush)
did. If the Congress didn't want war they should-a said so. And
they've funded the war effort ever since.@SEY:"High
praise for one of the most disastrous presidencies in US history."You ain't seen nuttin yet... Wait'll Obama joins the ranks of former
presidents... which won't happen soon enough.@Wastintime:"... which states that 'it is indisputable that the United States
engaged in the practice of torture.'"Obama doesn't
torture. He abhors torture. He just zaps them with drone missiles. Very
effective and much more humane.@The Real Maverick:"There's a reason why they blame everything on Clinton and
Obama..."Ain't it nice that Obama has Bush to blame
i'm far from a liberal and see myself as an objective historian. Bush did
some good things but overall not a good President. I would give him a C to a C-
grade. Now perhaps we have reached a time when we revere a C, but hopefully
not. He's average to below average, nothing more. His highlight was
throwing out the first pitch in the Yankee game. I don't see either war as
a good thing and far from necessary. While the President hasn't done much
to fix the economy (in my view), he was handed off the worst situation since the
Great Depression by the former President. We stayed safe (from terrorists)
generally during his Presidency, I guess credit given. But at what cost?
Krauthammer seems to think warrantless wiretapping is a good thing, I
don't. I see it as a loss of our rights.
@RBB at least Obama's legacy will be tied to trying to help 30 plus million
americans with healthcare. At best Bush legacy may be an attempt to help 30
plus million Iraqis who, at this point, did not want. In fact a majority of
Iraqis feel the war was not worth it and by a greater margin they feel they are
economically far worse off.
The families and friends of the nearly 3000 killed on September 11, 2001 would
disagree that Bush kept us safe.
I noticed chuck cleverly omitted mentioning 9/11.I guess even Hitler
could look good if we "forgot" WWII and the Holocaust.There's a reason why repubs love to forget about Bush's presidency.
There's a reason why they blame everything on Clinton and Obama but never
mention Bush. There's a reason why bush isn't a part of politics. His
party wants to distance themselves as much as they can from himNot
exactly a person who will soon be revered. Another swing and a miss by chuckie
Yes, and the Brits threw Winston Churchill out of office. While Bush did alot
that I do not agree with, the most comical part of this is reading comments of
people bashing Bush is that most commentators would rush to the defense of his
replacement. Bush got handed the .dot bubble which burst shortly before his
term and keep the economy going. He then had 9/11 and kept the economy going.
His biggest mistake was not reining in the Fed. who kept interest
rates too low and helped create the housing bubble. (Ironically, Republicans
unsuccessfully tried to address the out of control actions of Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac and were rebuffed by Barney Frank and friends).After 4
years, Bush is looking a lot better. Our current President has the highest
number on Welfare and the highest number on disability of all time. We have a
national debt approaching 17 trillion, with Obama adding more to it in 4 than
Bush did in 8. Our grandchildren will view Bush move favorably than
Obama's looting of the treasury to pay off his the unions and
"alternative energy" companies. Bush looks pretty good once
Obama's available for comparison.
He'll be revered about as much as we rever Richard Nixon or Herbert
The only way people will "revere the Bush legacy" is to ignore the facts
of his presidency and to ignore the harm he brought to this country through
eight disastrous years in office. He didn't keep us safe -- his policies
created huge numbers of terrorists to answer his actions. His response to the
warning about 9/11 was "okay -- you've covered your "backside"
and 9/11 happened. His policies put the economy down the toilet -- he did
everything on credit, and we're still trying to clean up the mess GWBush
created. He invaded and occupied a country without true cause, and thousands of
US military personnel and civilians were killed and maimed as a result (and
don't forget the thousands of Iraqi citizens he killed and maimed while he
took their country back to the dark ages).I know revisionists are
trying to re-write GWBush and his legacy. Hopefuly enough people who see him
clearly will be around to stop their efforts, and leave the truth about GWBush
in plain view now and later. He was and is the worst president the US has ever
had -- even worse than Jimmy Carter, and that is saying a lot.
Huh?He kept us safe?Was Clinton president on September
11, 2001?How many Americans died that day?How many
Americans have died in Iraq? Why are we even there in the first place?Who was president in the fall of 2008 when the stock market crashes and our
credit lines froze? Bush drove up deficits and lied about WMDs. He
did a lot of things, bailouts, trillions in deficits, ruined the economy,
doubled the gas prices, destroyed regulation, etc but he never kept us safe!
re: The Skeptical Chymist"I'm very disappointed in
Obama's continuation of many/most of Bush's policies.Forrest Gump said it best, "Stupid is as stupid does."But,
Go ahead America keep voting for Ivy Leaguers.
If the education system continues it downward spiral (courtesy No Child Left
Behind (note the irony)) then W will be revered... as a genius.
Shouldn't we be hearing about how much it cost to fly the Obama's to
the opening of the Bush presidential library?
Eugene Robinson correctly points out:"Hiding behind the
euphemism “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Bush made torture
official U.S. policy. Just about every objective observer has agreed with this
stark conclusion. The most recent assessment came earlier this month in a
576-page report from a task force of the bipartisan Constitution Project, which
states that “it is indisputable that the United States engaged in the
practice of torture.”We knew about the torture before Bush
left office — at least, we knew about the waterboarding of three
“high-value” detainees involved in planning the 9/11 attacks. But
the Constitution Project task force — which included such respected
eminences as Asa Hutchinson, who served in high-ranking posts in the Bush
administration, and William Sessions, who was FBI director under three
presidents — concluded that other forms of torture were used “in
many instances” in a manner that was “directly counter to values of
the Constitution and our nation.”
How anyone can claim that President Bush kept us safe, given the fact that the
largest number of civilian American deaths in history (I'm
guessing-haven't looked it up) occurred on his watch is beyond me.And yes, I'm very disappointed in Obama's continuation of many/most
of Bush's policies. I'm especially disappointed in Obama's
prosecution of whistleblowers. People who have exposed crimes by government
actors should be applauded, not prosecuted.
"Future generations will revere. . . Bush."What, as a painter?
It is easy to say that Bush kept us safe but is their any real evidence of that?
We invaded Afghanistan but no one knows what would of happened if we
didn't. Iraq was a pointless war that probably created more hate towards
us. Also lets not forget we invaded a sovereign nation that did not attack us.
The only ones of our future generations that will revere Bush's legacy are
the ones who choose not to read very much on the subject. Everyone who
rationally investigates the subject will conclude otherwise.
My goodness. High praise for one of the most disastrous presidencies in US
history. We can thank the Bush administration for amplifying the already hot
"blowback" effect from previous poor foreign policy decisions by other
administrations. We can also thank him for the intensified police-state
atmosphere in which we live today. This is without mentioning Bush's total
cluelessness regarding the economy. Please don't take this to mean that I
consider Obama to be any better, becaus he's continuing those same
policies. Krauthammer once again establishes his credentials as one of our
premier neoconservatives by this article.
Another brilliant, insightful and truthful article from Dr. Krauthammer.
Brilliant if for no other reason than that it exposes the hypocrisy of the
left's criticism of a great leader.
Sorry, Charlie. It's not gonna happen. Even if the guy could walk on water
on other issues, he gave us Iraq. Or should I say he moved his lips while Cheney
led us into Iraq? Either way, that one is inexcusable. Revere? What a joke.
Sorry Charlie....GWB's legacy is already written, despite the eternal Bush
Optimists hopes that they can change it. Bush will always be known as the
Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century - The man who drove this great country to the
brink of economic and moral bankruptcy.
I seem to remember George W. Bush telling the American People that he wanted
Congress to give him the authority to take military action in Iraq as a
negociation tool to force Saddam Husseim to acquess to his demands. Was he being
truthful on this? Or was he wanting to attack Iraq as punishment and was looking
for reasons to justify it?
"He kept us safe." Like when the Bush administration
ignored explicit warnings that Al Quada was planning to fly airplanes into
buildings? 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, remember?"He
kept us safe."By inventing stories of Iraqi WMDs and going to
war with a nation that never attacked us, couldn't attack us, and was
already hostile to Osama Bin Laden?"He kept us safe."Thousands of American dead, tens of thousands of Americans grievously
wounded, a hundred thousand dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, and two-plus trillion
dollars spent to make America even _more_ hated by Islamic radicals around the
world?I have to ask, does reality EVER intrude into the contemporary
conservative thought process? It seems like it does not.