Published: Sunday, April 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
There you go, showing common sense and everything. Expect to hear from some
The primary concern of the NRA is to take advantage of tragic events, manipulate
them to increase fear and paranoia amongst the American public, and make the gun
industry greater profits. Concerns about gun safety and keeping guns out of the
hands of criminals, terrorists, mentally-unstable, and others in the public
interest is essentially non-existent despite the rhetoric from the NRA. In
fact, the NRA would probably like to eliminate background checks currently
required of licensed gun stores. It doesn't make much sense to
require background checks when purchasing a gun at a licensed gun store when an
individual is not required when purchasing a gun in any other venue. The NRA
appears to be fine with a criminal or terrorist purchasing a gun and leave it up
to "good guys with a gun" to shoot it out when confronted by the
"bad guy with a gun."And the whole nonsense about having to
defend hearth and home against a tyrannical government is simply ludicrous.
Considering the mess we have in Congress, the idea of government becoming
tyrannical is too silly for words. They can't get anything done with the
crazy nuts we have there now.
Does anyone REALLY think our elected representatives are ever going to do
anything that stops the gravy train from flowing to their campaigns?The Supreme Court has already ruled on this issue.It would take a
constitutional amendment to change things. Good luck with that!If
this is a biased letter (against the NRA)the commentator needs to remember that
if he limits the NRA, he also must limit Planned Parenthood, La Raza,
pharmaceutical industry, Hollywood lobbyists, etc.Just because the
columnist doesn't like the results of NRA lobbying, he needs to realize
they (the NRA)worked as all lobbyists do. To influence votes.
Dane, you are looking at this issue completely incorrectly. Its only a bad
government that would try to take guns away from free citizens. It's called
FREEDOM! What kind of government restricts people's freedom? That's
right, a bad government, just like what bad governments did in Nazi Germany,
communist Russia, and every other dictatorship in the history of the world! And
you are all in favor of that, right?
I find it odd that the people who say we need weapons to protect ourselves from
the government are the very same people who want the government to amass more
and more weapons.
Dan... in most ways I completely agree with you. The NRA is a special interest
group of a shrinking percentage of our population. There isn't much the
NRA does I think that promotes the real interest of "gun owners". They
are clearly interested in other segments.But, and as much as I hate
to say this, we have to protect special interest groups rights. Women gaining
the right to vote started as a special interest groups agenda. Equal rights
under the law was started as a special interest groups agenda. There were
competing interest groups to both of these. The Klan was a large lubby group
that opposed both of these - as was better funded - that ultimately lost the
battle. It took blacks nearly 100 years after so call freedom to actually gain
political equality under the law. ERA ultimately failed. It asked
for too much, but its overall goals have largely been recognized. The NRA will
eventually fail. In my area, the majority of democrats I know are also gun
owners. There is no solid blockagains the NRA right now. But eventually they
will over step, and the tide will turn, and reasonable laws passed.
It's not tyranny of the government over the people we need to
fear.It's tyranny of the NRA over the government.
The citizens of the United States have more guns now than at any time in
history. We also have more public and private debt now than at any time in
history. We also have more illegal immigrants, or is it undocumented workers,
now than at any time in history. Millions of guns in citizens hands contribute
zero answers to these major problems. They have dubious value in maintaining a
I agree with the letter writer! Get rid of special interest money so that our
representatives can get back to doing our business! All they do is the bidding
of their corporate masters. Corporations are NOT people.
Dane true to liberal form you totally misunderstand the argument about guns and
the relationship to a free people. Neither the NRA nor gun owner claim that guns
prevent "bad" government. Stupid voters have caused bad government. Guns
ownership and an armed citizenry prevent a tyrannical Government from taking
away your other constitutional rights is part of the argument. Your ludicrous
statement about owning drones and and other large military equipment has never
been the desire or freedom loving people, but the average citizen should be
allowed the arms of an average soldier for defense in the event of a government
The people having guns may not deter bad government, but I'm sure that
those in government that want to take away those weapons would sleep better if
they were successful...
Good letter, silly rebuttals. Done.
Bookemmarko:Drones are actually another excellent example of how the
1790 era 2nd Amendment context of citizens uprising against their own tyrannical
government becomes more absurd as weapons technology gets more sophisticated.
Are you going to be firing your AR-15 at the drones circling at
25,000 feet as they locate your position through high-tech guidance and prepare
to launch a missile to destroy everything in your vicinity on the ground?Here's what's really happening: the more Obama haters talk
about our current government being "tyrannical", the more the rest of us
think the hard right are themselves becoming radicalized, even more detached
from reality (eg, the Birthers) a potential threat, ala Tim McVeigh.You guys have worked yourselves into a paranoid fantasy, thinking the armed
forces will join you in overthrowing Obama, when all you're really doing is
sowing the seeds for more needless deaths under the guise of a hallucinatory
apocalyptic fantasy. Come on down out of the hills and talk
rationally with the rest of us.
Any honest look at the good government to guns correlation theory shows it to be
false. 1. The US has by far more guns per capita than any other
country. Twice as many as the nearest country Yemen and we have 20 - 50 times as
many as European nations.2. Our government is corrupted by special
interest money anyway. Guns are good at poking holes in things, they
are terrible personal defense. Being able to poke a hole in the other guy
doesn't keep him from poking a hole in you first. Don't let the guy
get in your house in the first place.10CC is right on too.
@Mad HatterYou said - "The primary concern of the NRA is to take
advantage of tragic events, manipulate them to increase fear and paranoia
amongst the American public, and make the gun industry greater profits."You've got to be kidding me. If anything it is the
anti-gun advocates that take advantage of tragic shootings. All the NRA and gun
owners are doing is attempting to defend themselves from the onslaught of
attacks. After the Newtown, Aurora and Tucson shootings, it was the
anti-gun advocates, allied by their friends in Hollywood (oh the hypocrisy
there) that first jumped in front of the TV cameras doing all the manipulating
and fear mongering. Read through just about any newspaper in the country. The
editorial and political cartoonists have spent the last few months attacking and
condemning the NRA and gun owners left and right.
"If this is a biased letter (against the NRA)the commentator needs to
remember that if he limits the NRA, he also must limit Planned Parenthood, La
Raza, pharmaceutical industry, Hollywood lobbyists, etc."Sounds
good to me. Lets stop all the outside money that is used to buy legislation.
(on both left and right causes.)
Ironic that, after the Boston Marathon bombing, the media and many others were
quick to say, "Don't condemn all Muslims because of the act of a few
crazies."Yet, whenever there's a shooting, is the same
respect paid to all gun owners? Of course not.
What is the value of freedom? Apparently, most posters don't think much of
the concept of being independent from government control. They DEMAND that we
check our freedom at the door and that someone from the government be there to
see who gets which freedom. Is that the way it should work? I don't think
so. The people are in charge, not the government. Basic freedoms are
independent of the government. At no time have the people ceded those rights to
the control of the government.As long as people can't live
without a nanny, there will be those who call for government to fill that spot
in their lives. Unfortunately, too many people would rather listen to
platitudes from a "rock star" president than do the work required of a
free people to guard their freedoms from the pilfering fingers of corrupt
politicians whose first desire is take away our right to defend ourselves.Compare the taxes that England levied on us to the taxes that Obama
wants to levy and you'll see just how far we have fallen as a people who
claim to love freedom from government control.
Will someone, anyone, please reference a single piece of legislation that would
confiscate a a legally owned firearm of any size or type or are we going to
continue with the absurdities that I read here? If you think you have the
weapons to defer the government from going after you for your crimes then go for
it. I for one would prefer to attempt to prevent legal gun sales to the
incompetent, in sane, and criminals. Please don't continue the delusion
that nothing can be done because otherwise let's repeal all public safety
laws because there are violators everywhere you turn. Doing nothing is approval.
It's sounds fine to me. No special interest money at all from Planned
Parenthood , NRA to GE. Absolutely fine with this liberal. Now we agree, get r
done. Too bad we can't get it done - because of special
interest $$$ that blocks it.
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