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Published: Sunday, April 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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KJB1
Eugene, OR

There you go, showing common sense and everything. Expect to hear from some angry conservatives.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

The primary concern of the NRA is to take advantage of tragic events, manipulate them to increase fear and paranoia amongst the American public, and make the gun industry greater profits. Concerns about gun safety and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists, mentally-unstable, and others in the public interest is essentially non-existent despite the rhetoric from the NRA. In fact, the NRA would probably like to eliminate background checks currently required of licensed gun stores.

It doesn't make much sense to require background checks when purchasing a gun at a licensed gun store when an individual is not required when purchasing a gun in any other venue. The NRA appears to be fine with a criminal or terrorist purchasing a gun and leave it up to "good guys with a gun" to shoot it out when confronted by the "bad guy with a gun."

And the whole nonsense about having to defend hearth and home against a tyrannical government is simply ludicrous. Considering the mess we have in Congress, the idea of government becoming tyrannical is too silly for words. They can't get anything done with the crazy nuts we have there now.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Does anyone REALLY think our elected representatives are ever going to do anything that stops the gravy train from flowing to their campaigns?

The Supreme Court has already ruled on this issue.

It would take a constitutional amendment to change things. Good luck with that!

If this is a biased letter (against the NRA)the commentator needs to remember that if he limits the NRA, he also must limit Planned Parenthood, La Raza, pharmaceutical industry, Hollywood lobbyists, etc.

Just because the columnist doesn't like the results of NRA lobbying, he needs to realize they (the NRA)worked as all lobbyists do. To influence votes.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Dane, you are looking at this issue completely incorrectly. Its only a bad government that would try to take guns away from free citizens. It's called FREEDOM! What kind of government restricts people's freedom? That's right, a bad government, just like what bad governments did in Nazi Germany, communist Russia, and every other dictatorship in the history of the world! And you are all in favor of that, right?

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I find it odd that the people who say we need weapons to protect ourselves from the government are the very same people who want the government to amass more and more weapons.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Dan... in most ways I completely agree with you. The NRA is a special interest group of a shrinking percentage of our population. There isn't much the NRA does I think that promotes the real interest of "gun owners". They are clearly interested in other segments.

But, and as much as I hate to say this, we have to protect special interest groups rights. Women gaining the right to vote started as a special interest groups agenda. Equal rights under the law was started as a special interest groups agenda. There were competing interest groups to both of these. The Klan was a large lubby group that opposed both of these - as was better funded - that ultimately lost the battle. It took blacks nearly 100 years after so call freedom to actually gain political equality under the law.

ERA ultimately failed. It asked for too much, but its overall goals have largely been recognized. The NRA will eventually fail. In my area, the majority of democrats I know are also gun owners. There is no solid blockagains the NRA right now. But eventually they will over step, and the tide will turn, and reasonable laws passed.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It's not tyranny of the government over the people we need to fear.It's tyranny of the NRA over the government.

Onion Daze
Payson, UT

The citizens of the United States have more guns now than at any time in history. We also have more public and private debt now than at any time in history. We also have more illegal immigrants, or is it undocumented workers, now than at any time in history. Millions of guns in citizens hands contribute zero answers to these major problems. They have dubious value in maintaining a healthy society.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I agree with the letter writer! Get rid of special interest money so that our representatives can get back to doing our business! All they do is the bidding of their corporate masters.

Corporations are NOT people.

bookemmarko
west haven, UT

Dane true to liberal form you totally misunderstand the argument about guns and the relationship to a free people. Neither the NRA nor gun owner claim that guns prevent "bad" government. Stupid voters have caused bad government. Guns ownership and an armed citizenry prevent a tyrannical Government from taking away your other constitutional rights is part of the argument. Your ludicrous statement about owning drones and and other large military equipment has never been the desire or freedom loving people, but the average citizen should be allowed the arms of an average soldier for defense in the event of a government take over.

DougS
Oakley, UT

The people having guns may not deter bad government, but I'm sure that those in government that want to take away those weapons would sleep better if they were successful...

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Good letter, silly rebuttals. Done.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Bookemmarko:

Drones are actually another excellent example of how the 1790 era 2nd Amendment context of citizens uprising against their own tyrannical government becomes more absurd as weapons technology gets more sophisticated.

Are you going to be firing your AR-15 at the drones circling at 25,000 feet as they locate your position through high-tech guidance and prepare to launch a missile to destroy everything in your vicinity on the ground?

Here's what's really happening: the more Obama haters talk about our current government being "tyrannical", the more the rest of us think the hard right are themselves becoming radicalized, even more detached from reality (eg, the Birthers) a potential threat, ala Tim McVeigh.

You guys have worked yourselves into a paranoid fantasy, thinking the armed forces will join you in overthrowing Obama, when all you're really doing is sowing the seeds for more needless deaths under the guise of a hallucinatory apocalyptic fantasy.

Come on down out of the hills and talk rationally with the rest of us.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Any honest look at the good government to guns correlation theory shows it to be false.

1. The US has by far more guns per capita than any other country. Twice as many as the nearest country Yemen and we have 20 - 50 times as many as European nations.

2. Our government is corrupted by special interest money anyway.

Guns are good at poking holes in things, they are terrible personal defense. Being able to poke a hole in the other guy doesn't keep him from poking a hole in you first. Don't let the guy get in your house in the first place.

10CC is right on too.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Mad Hatter

You said - "The primary concern of the NRA is to take advantage of tragic events, manipulate them to increase fear and paranoia amongst the American public, and make the gun industry greater profits."

You've got to be kidding me.

If anything it is the anti-gun advocates that take advantage of tragic shootings. All the NRA and gun owners are doing is attempting to defend themselves from the onslaught of attacks.

After the Newtown, Aurora and Tucson shootings, it was the anti-gun advocates, allied by their friends in Hollywood (oh the hypocrisy there) that first jumped in front of the TV cameras doing all the manipulating and fear mongering. Read through just about any newspaper in the country. The editorial and political cartoonists have spent the last few months attacking and condemning the NRA and gun owners left and right.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"If this is a biased letter (against the NRA)the commentator needs to remember that if he limits the NRA, he also must limit Planned Parenthood, La Raza, pharmaceutical industry, Hollywood lobbyists, etc."

Sounds good to me. Lets stop all the outside money that is used to buy legislation. (on both left and right causes.)

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

Ironic that, after the Boston Marathon bombing, the media and many others were quick to say, "Don't condemn all Muslims because of the act of a few crazies."

Yet, whenever there's a shooting, is the same respect paid to all gun owners?

Of course not.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

What is the value of freedom? Apparently, most posters don't think much of the concept of being independent from government control. They DEMAND that we check our freedom at the door and that someone from the government be there to see who gets which freedom. Is that the way it should work? I don't think so. The people are in charge, not the government. Basic freedoms are independent of the government. At no time have the people ceded those rights to the control of the government.

As long as people can't live without a nanny, there will be those who call for government to fill that spot in their lives. Unfortunately, too many people would rather listen to platitudes from a "rock star" president than do the work required of a free people to guard their freedoms from the pilfering fingers of corrupt politicians whose first desire is take away our right to defend ourselves.

Compare the taxes that England levied on us to the taxes that Obama wants to levy and you'll see just how far we have fallen as a people who claim to love freedom from government control.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Will someone, anyone, please reference a single piece of legislation that would confiscate a a legally owned firearm of any size or type or are we going to continue with the absurdities that I read here? If you think you have the weapons to defer the government from going after you for your crimes then go for it. I for one would prefer to attempt to prevent legal gun sales to the incompetent, in sane, and criminals. Please don't continue the delusion that nothing can be done because otherwise let's repeal all public safety laws because there are violators everywhere you turn. Doing nothing is approval.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

It's sounds fine to me. No special interest money at all from Planned Parenthood , NRA to GE. Absolutely fine with this liberal. Now we agree, get r done.

Too bad we can't get it done - because of special interest $$$ that blocks it.

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