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Published: Saturday, April 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Murray, UT

Securing the border is not in the bill passed by the pro-illegal eight. It only strengthens "high priority areas" decided by the head of Homeland security. The 90% closure only applies to these areas, the rest of the border will be wide open.

The law is full of loopholes, E-verify drops the fine for hiring people here illegally from a felony to a civil infraction. And the fine comes after several steps designed to let the business escape penalties. Part of this bill reeks of business involvement.

It eliminates the agriculture visa that requires the business to be responsible, and replaces it with a new visa, that puts responsibility on the taxpayers. The W visa allows people of any occupation to come here if a business claims a shortage of labor. The M visa, along with other changes could add millions more people here legally replacing Americans at their jobs.

People have fought for immigration enforcement for years before 9/11 and the economies collapse. Enforcement has to come first before any amnesty, including allowing people to stay here.

Our government can't enforce visas, process 11-18 million people here illegally. Look at their past record.

Provo, UT

The 11-18 million here illegally are not going to boost our economy. They are here, and most are already working. If their was a boost, we would of seen it by now. Most are poor, low income, and out of the tax paying bracket. The cost to society for social programs will sky rocket.

When Obama care hits with the 29 work hour cutoff, we could see their surplus labor plugging the part time holes. Putting more Americans into part time work like the 23 million we so easily forget. After the 1986 amnesty, many receiving the amnesty were laid off. They were working, because they supplied cheap labor. Raise their cost of labor up, and business will start looking for more cheap illegal labor, putting those amnestied onto welfare.

Something this important needs to be studied, especially after the previous seven amnesties failed to stop the problem.

Or leaders know the laws are not broken, it's enforcement that is. Immigration is a test of honesty, from business, aliens, government, churches and organizations.
Business and those who come here illegally are the problem. They put their needs above others.

Murray, UT

"A federal judge said this week that the Obama administration is likely violating the law by telling immigration agents and officers not to arrest illegal immigrants they deem low priority, in a case that could upend President Obama’s enforcement policy." source; Washington times.

The ICE union lawsuit against the President will be decided May 5, but from the judges statement yesterday, things don't sound good. Is this one of the reasons they are trying to push a 800+ page bill through without time for serious study? Everyone wants them to hurry, I want them to get it right this time.

Ogden, UT

John "federal immigration policies were broken" that is just not true. What is broken is enforcement! Granted there are parts of immigration law that need to be adjusted or changed but the main thrust of you and other pro so called immigration reformists is Amnesty. That is correct John and you know it. You want rewards for people who have knowingly broken the laws that we have. If you folks would throw away any thoughts of amnesty those of us who oppose reform would be much easier to convince.

Pheonix, AZ

"For years, our national politicians have known our federal immigration policies were broken..."

Immigration policies are not broken. What's broken is enforcement. A country where untold and unaccounted for millions can flood in, like has happen in the US, is no country.

"In the meantime, undocumented workers who responded to U.S. employers' 'help wanted' signs became the scapegoats of our politicians' failure to act."

It's not 'help wanted' signs. It's 'cheap labor' signs.

"And while many praise and claim to be Reagan followers, they criticize him for taking the leadership in signing the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, where he helped find relief for our economic and labor needs of that time."

Too funny! The 1986 Act was supposed to include securing the border to stem further illegal immigration. Instead, it just encouraged more illegals to cross the border or overstay their visas. Now, instead of 1.5 million illegals Reagan had to contend with, we have 11 to 21 million. Any amnesty now would just exacerbate the problem even further. That's what our politicians are pondering, as they should, before they pass another immigration stupid law.

Salt Lake City, UT

My old friend John is a worthy advocate for a pathway to citizenship for illegals in this country, and the easier it is, the more favorable it becomes.

Is seems that to many people, John included, comprehensive immigration reform means this pathway to citizenship.

I think that our congressional delegation is wise in not rushing to the call to support the immigration bill that has been presented by the 'gang of eight' in the senate. There are so many facets in this bill that it becomes like the Obamacare bill in that, "We must pass this bill to find out what is really in it", as stated by Nancy Pelosi, then speaker of the house.

If we are going to genuinely improve this country's immigration policy, let us be sure we are doing it right, and I believe our congressional delegation realizes this well.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Mr. Florez,

At what age is a person personally accountable for his own actions? Is he ever old enough to stop making excuses and to stop blaming everyone else for the fact that he broke the law when he entered the United States illegally? Is he ever old enough to take responsibility that his family will suffer as long as he remains in the United States illegally? Is he ever going to do the right thing and deport himself and his family and stay out of the United States until he can re-enter properly?

There is a consequence to every action. Expecting a "blessing" for breaking the law is absurd. Expecting amnesty for illegally entering this country while millions wait to enter legally is aiding and abetting criminal acts.

If you want to help people, tell them to grow up and become accountable for their actions.

Mapleton, UT

As always John, a very perceptive article.

Salt Lake City, UT

Yet again the willful illegality of illegal aliens is denied outright. Yet again they falsely characterized instead as victims, as "scapegoats." Yet again, "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law," and, "Go, and sin no more," is tossed out the window, in the name of "economics." Yet again, those who still happen to believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law, are the bad guys.

Surely Mr. Florez understands that rewarding illegal aliens with legal residency status is outrageously immoral and unfair and makes an utter mockery of the rule of law. Doubtless he understands that most Americans recognize this fact; this is why he obfuscates the issue behind the typical "immigration system is broken" meaningless canard.

The immigration system is not "broken." Immigration law simply needs to be enforced, for a change.

And it is disingenuous of Mr. Florez to subtly imply that lawmakers -- and the American politic at large -- have had adequate opportunity to fully vet the PARTICULAR piece of legislation now being put forth by the Senate "Gang of Eight."

By the way, Reagan came to regret the 1986 amnesty as the greatest mistake of his presidency.


E-verify will discontinued the minute the bill is signed. It's replacement will take several years at least.

It's time to treat lawbreakers as lawbreakers. Foreign and domestic. Are we ready to let out all the prisoners in our jails to keep their family together?

Salt Lake City, UT

"Immigration is a test of leadership"

More "Utah Compact" sophistry. Once again, illegal immigration is a "test" of society, instead of the VIOLATION of society that it is. Notice that it's never about illegal aliens being accountable for their own illegality.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

Before we cast stones at others, let us recognize that we were the first to offend by unwisely restricting the free flow of labor. Such actions were taken because of racism, selfishness, and ignorance of how a market blesses all participants.

Echoes of the short-sighted thinking that put these terribly narrow visa quotas into law are heard in many comments above, "cheap labor," "puts responsibility on the taxpayers," "replacing Americans at their jobs." "The cost to society for social programs," "flood in," "onto welfare."

Guest workers, documented or not, create more jobs than they take, raise most wages in communities where they live, pay taxes, use fewer government services than citizens, and self-deport when we have less need of their labor (note statistics on net migration from Mexico during the 2008-2009 recession).

Of course we prefer them to come legally. Hence more open visa quotas.

Santa Clara, UT

Will the lawmakers (and the media and John) ever learn the difference between an Immigrant and a illegal migrant/alien? Therein lies the problem. They try to depict them as the same and they are NOT! In my travels (30 years living abroad) I have seen so many potential Immigrants lined up at our Embassies around the world waiting usually 12 years to legally immigrate to the USA. These people are Immigrants and possess skills and education which benefit our country. Most already speak English and usually are self sufficient or have a sponsor to help them. These are the Immigrants that I think of when someone says our country is made up of "Immigrants". Not the trespassers here to milk ths system and send their money home. Tweak the number of visas perhaps but please no amnesties every few years. Amnesty only attracts more trespassers.

Santa Clara, UT

JCC - Nonsense!

Mr. Bean
Pheonix, AZ

"E-verify will discontinued the minute the bill is signed."

E-Verify has basically been abandoned. E-Verify is the cheapest and most effective way to stem illegal immigration. Without jobs illegals will have little or no reason to break our immigration laws.

"It's time to treat lawbreakers as lawbreakers."

Will never happen. We have a bunch of wimps running the government. They want and need a certain ethnic vote (I'll let the reader decide who that might be) to stay in office and will do almost anything to get it. Our country is now being run by foreigners. Legal and illegal. How'd that happen? We turned a blind eye and let them flood in, so now they have a significant voting bloc and can call the shots as evidenced by Obama's drive for amnesty. Our immigration laws will continued to be ignored and will eventually be totally stripped of any enforcement. This means immigrants can and will continue to flood in by the millions. And they come mostly from neighbors from our south. I think I'll sign up for a Spanish language class.

Santa Clara, UT

I favor E-Verify and fines AND PRISON time for corporate heads who hire illegals. When Carter put some contractors in prison for under-the-table payments on contracts in the middle east, those same corporate heads acted like scared rabbits. At 55-60 years old and with lots of stock options they didn't want to spend their retirement in jail. I saw it first hand and it was funny to see them sweat. Put some teeth into the law and problem is solved. But then we all know it is about cheap labor and they seem to have the politicians in their pocket (shouldn't that be illegal?).

Pheonix, AZ

"A national opinion survey of Mexico by the Pew Research Center, conducted March 4-17 among 1,000 adults, finds that roughly two-thirds (66%) of Mexicans have a favorable opinion of the U.S. – up from 56% a year ago and dramatically higher than it was following the passage of Arizona’s restrictive immigration law in 2010, when favorable Mexican attitudes toward the United States slipped to 44%."

Could it be that Obama has offered amnesty to m millions of illegals?

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