Published: Saturday, April 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Securing the border is not in the bill passed by the pro-illegal eight. It only
strengthens "high priority areas" decided by the head of Homeland
security. The 90% closure only applies to these areas, the rest of the border
will be wide open. The law is full of loopholes, E-verify drops the
fine for hiring people here illegally from a felony to a civil infraction. And
the fine comes after several steps designed to let the business escape
penalties. Part of this bill reeks of business involvement. It
eliminates the agriculture visa that requires the business to be responsible,
and replaces it with a new visa, that puts responsibility on the taxpayers. The
W visa allows people of any occupation to come here if a business claims a
shortage of labor. The M visa, along with other changes could add millions more
people here legally replacing Americans at their jobs. People have
fought for immigration enforcement for years before 9/11 and the economies
collapse. Enforcement has to come first before any amnesty, including allowing
people to stay here.Our government can't enforce visas, process
11-18 million people here illegally. Look at their past record.
The 11-18 million here illegally are not going to boost our economy. They are
here, and most are already working. If their was a boost, we would of seen it by
now. Most are poor, low income, and out of the tax paying bracket. The cost to
society for social programs will sky rocket. When Obama care hits
with the 29 work hour cutoff, we could see their surplus labor plugging the part
time holes. Putting more Americans into part time work like the 23 million we so
easily forget. After the 1986 amnesty, many receiving the amnesty were laid
off. They were working, because they supplied cheap labor. Raise their cost of
labor up, and business will start looking for more cheap illegal labor, putting
those amnestied onto welfare. Something this important needs to be
studied, especially after the previous seven amnesties failed to stop the
problem. Or leaders know the laws are not broken, it's
enforcement that is. Immigration is a test of honesty, from business, aliens,
government, churches and organizations. Business and those who come here
illegally are the problem. They put their needs above others.
"A federal judge said this week that the Obama administration is likely
violating the law by telling immigration agents and officers not to arrest
illegal immigrants they deem low priority, in a case that could upend President
Obama’s enforcement policy." source; Washington times.The
ICE union lawsuit against the President will be decided May 5, but from the
judges statement yesterday, things don't sound good. Is this one of the
reasons they are trying to push a 800+ page bill through without time for
serious study? Everyone wants them to hurry, I want them to get it right this
John "federal immigration policies were broken" that is just not true.
What is broken is enforcement! Granted there are parts of immigration law that
need to be adjusted or changed but the main thrust of you and other pro so
called immigration reformists is Amnesty. That is correct John and you know it.
You want rewards for people who have knowingly broken the laws that we have. If
you folks would throw away any thoughts of amnesty those of us who oppose reform
would be much easier to convince.
"For years, our national politicians have known our federal immigration
policies were broken..."Immigration policies are not broken.
What's broken is enforcement. A country where untold and unaccounted for
millions can flood in, like has happen in the US, is no country."In the meantime, undocumented workers who responded to U.S.
employers' 'help wanted' signs became the scapegoats of our
politicians' failure to act."It's not 'help
wanted' signs. It's 'cheap labor' signs."And while many praise and claim to be Reagan followers, they criticize
him for taking the leadership in signing the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control
Act, where he helped find relief for our economic and labor needs of that
time."Too funny! The 1986 Act was supposed to include securing
the border to stem further illegal immigration. Instead, it just encouraged
more illegals to cross the border or overstay their visas. Now, instead of 1.5
million illegals Reagan had to contend with, we have 11 to 21 million. Any
amnesty now would just exacerbate the problem even further. That's what
our politicians are pondering, as they should, before they pass another
immigration stupid law.
My old friend John is a worthy advocate for a pathway to citizenship for
illegals in this country, and the easier it is, the more favorable it
becomes.Is seems that to many people, John included, comprehensive
immigration reform means this pathway to citizenship.I think that
our congressional delegation is wise in not rushing to the call to support the
immigration bill that has been presented by the 'gang of eight' in the
senate. There are so many facets in this bill that it becomes like the
Obamacare bill in that, "We must pass this bill to find out what is really
in it", as stated by Nancy Pelosi, then speaker of the house.If
we are going to genuinely improve this country's immigration policy, let us
be sure we are doing it right, and I believe our congressional delegation
realizes this well.
Mr. Florez,At what age is a person personally accountable for his
own actions? Is he ever old enough to stop making excuses and to stop blaming
everyone else for the fact that he broke the law when he entered the United
States illegally? Is he ever old enough to take responsibility that his family
will suffer as long as he remains in the United States illegally? Is he ever
going to do the right thing and deport himself and his family and stay out of
the United States until he can re-enter properly?There is a
consequence to every action. Expecting a "blessing" for breaking the
law is absurd. Expecting amnesty for illegally entering this country while
millions wait to enter legally is aiding and abetting criminal acts. If you want to help people, tell them to grow up and become accountable for
As always John, a very perceptive article.
Yet again the willful illegality of illegal aliens is denied outright. Yet
again they falsely characterized instead as victims, as "scapegoats."
Yet again, "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law," and, "Go,
and sin no more," is tossed out the window, in the name of
"economics." Yet again, those who still happen to believe in obeying,
honoring, and sustaining the law, are the bad guys. Surely Mr.
Florez understands that rewarding illegal aliens with legal residency status is
outrageously immoral and unfair and makes an utter mockery of the rule of law.
Doubtless he understands that most Americans recognize this fact; this is why he
obfuscates the issue behind the typical "immigration system is broken"
meaningless canard. The immigration system is not "broken."
Immigration law simply needs to be enforced, for a change. And it is
disingenuous of Mr. Florez to subtly imply that lawmakers -- and the American
politic at large -- have had adequate opportunity to fully vet the PARTICULAR
piece of legislation now being put forth by the Senate "Gang of
Eight."By the way, Reagan came to regret the 1986 amnesty as the
greatest mistake of his presidency.
E-verify will discontinued the minute the bill is signed. It's replacement
will take several years at least. It's time to treat
lawbreakers as lawbreakers. Foreign and domestic. Are we ready to let out all
the prisoners in our jails to keep their family together?
"Immigration is a test of leadership"More "Utah
Compact" sophistry. Once again, illegal immigration is a "test" of
society, instead of the VIOLATION of society that it is. Notice that it's
never about illegal aliens being accountable for their own illegality.
Before we cast stones at others, let us recognize that we were the first to
offend by unwisely restricting the free flow of labor. Such actions were taken
because of racism, selfishness, and ignorance of how a market blesses all
participants. Echoes of the short-sighted thinking that put these
terribly narrow visa quotas into law are heard in many comments above,
"cheap labor," "puts responsibility on the taxpayers,"
"replacing Americans at their jobs." "The cost to society for social
programs," "flood in," "onto welfare."Guest
workers, documented or not, create more jobs than they take, raise most wages in
communities where they live, pay taxes, use fewer government services than
citizens, and self-deport when we have less need of their labor (note statistics
on net migration from Mexico during the 2008-2009 recession).Of
course we prefer them to come legally. Hence more open visa quotas.
Will the lawmakers (and the media and John) ever learn the difference between an
Immigrant and a illegal migrant/alien? Therein lies the problem. They try to
depict them as the same and they are NOT! In my travels (30 years living
abroad) I have seen so many potential Immigrants lined up at our Embassies
around the world waiting usually 12 years to legally immigrate to the USA.
These people are Immigrants and possess skills and education which benefit our
country. Most already speak English and usually are self sufficient or have a
sponsor to help them. These are the Immigrants that I think of when someone
says our country is made up of "Immigrants". Not the trespassers here
to milk ths system and send their money home. Tweak the number of visas perhaps
but please no amnesties every few years. Amnesty only attracts more
JCC - Nonsense!
@RRB:"E-verify will discontinued the minute the bill is
signed."E-Verify has basically been abandoned. E-Verify is the
cheapest and most effective way to stem illegal immigration. Without jobs
illegals will have little or no reason to break our immigration laws."It's time to treat lawbreakers as lawbreakers."Will
never happen. We have a bunch of wimps running the government. They want and
need a certain ethnic vote (I'll let the reader decide who that might be)
to stay in office and will do almost anything to get it. Our country is now
being run by foreigners. Legal and illegal. How'd that happen? We turned a
blind eye and let them flood in, so now they have a significant voting bloc and
can call the shots as evidenced by Obama's drive for amnesty. Our
immigration laws will continued to be ignored and will eventually be totally
stripped of any enforcement. This means immigrants can and will continue to
flood in by the millions. And they come mostly from neighbors from our south. I
think I'll sign up for a Spanish language class.
I favor E-Verify and fines AND PRISON time for corporate heads who hire
illegals. When Carter put some contractors in prison for under-the-table
payments on contracts in the middle east, those same corporate heads acted like
scared rabbits. At 55-60 years old and with lots of stock options they
didn't want to spend their retirement in jail. I saw it first hand and it
was funny to see them sweat. Put some teeth into the law and problem is solved.
But then we all know it is about cheap labor and they seem to have the
politicians in their pocket (shouldn't that be illegal?).
"A national opinion survey of Mexico by the Pew Research Center, conducted
March 4-17 among 1,000 adults, finds that roughly two-thirds (66%) of Mexicans
have a favorable opinion of the U.S. – up from 56% a year ago and
dramatically higher than it was following the passage of Arizona’s
restrictive immigration law in 2010, when favorable Mexican attitudes toward the
United States slipped to 44%."Could it be that Obama has offered
amnesty to m millions of illegals?
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