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Poll shows 39 percent participate in politics on sites like Facebook

Published: Wednesday, April 24 2013 11:28 p.m. MDT

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LindonMan
Lindon, UT

I would like to invite all those in favor of universal health care to go live outside of the country for a while when needing health care and then tell me how you like it. I had medical needs in Brazil a few years ago, and it was an experience full of long lines, crowded doctors offices, and poor medical attention by doctors and nurses alike.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ LindonMan: Next time you need medical care here in the US, pretend you have no insurance and have to pay for everything out of pocket - then tell me how that compares to the care you received in Brazil.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

For those of us who have lived outside the United States of America still pay with the insurance we have here with coverage outside our country. If you really want great coverage outside of our country, join the military and go to the combat zone. The only thing is you be exposed to more violence than in Boston and take your chances everywhere you go. That is something you have to decide. We still have a great system with private healthcare. The public healthcare at public universities is good but there are so many unknowns for the future private and public institutions and the insurance coverage that will kick in for the people that don't pay at those places. As it works out, it will still require the taxpayers to pay as we do now for those that walk in or ride in the ambulance that don't have insurance to cover their costs.

Taxpayers won't pay a dime more and that was a promise, even if you read the bill after it passed. History may give us a different story of this political game with people's healthcare and taxes.

Time tells but my great-grandchildren pay.

raybies
Layton, UT

My experience with social networks is they turn politics into pictures with clever slogans.

That's not good, imo. There needs to be venues for calm, and intelligent discussion, but the limitations on post lengths (like facebook and twitter) and such, really destroy this idea. It's far too casual.

And no one wants to read that link to your blog... so of course to get everyone's attention, the activist bloggers resort to sensationalism to get people to read their material.

As a result, We are in a sore state.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@LindonMan
"I would like to invite all those in favor of universal health care to go live outside of the country for a while when needing health care and then tell me how you like it."

My dad lives in Germany and needed surgery on his nose. He got to see a specialist within a week, had minimal co-pays, and his almost week long hospital stay cost roughly the same as staying at a Best Western hotel.

I am in Utah and needed surgery to remove a cyst. I needed to wait a month to see a specialist, had larger co-pays (though really they weren't bad), and my 6 hour hospital stay cost more than my dad's almost a full week stay.

Note: for the hospital stay costs I'm not counting cost of surgery (though his was cheaper, that could be just a difference of procedure needed), I am referring to the charges for staying at the hospital/taking up a hospital bed.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "atl134" and tell us what Obamacare does for Doctor availability? Does Obamacare somehow make more doctors available? Does it make going to the Doctor more affordable? Has insurance prices gone up or down since Obamacare was passed? Did Obamacare do anything to lower malpractice insurance costs so that more doctors are willing to go into specialties like surgery?

I know for a fact that Germany is so desperate for doctors that if are a citizen of Germany they will pay for your schooling, housing, and food while you study to become a doctor.

The point is, Obamacare has done nothing except make insurance more expensive and is pusing more doctors out of medical practice.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Here is what will happen to having timely access to healthcare providers under full implementation of Obamacare:

One of the great misconceptions about Obamacare is that just because you have health insurance, you therefore will get adequate healthcare and you will have access to it. Nothing could be further from the truth. Obamacare is scheduled to pay less to healthcare providers including doctors at the same time it is increasing the number insured by some 30 million.

So patients are not going to get those services rendered because doctors will not provide them at below market cost. Obamacare greatly expands the demand for healthcare and does not do anything about supply (more doctors).

So anyone who is in a plan that pays below market cost is going to have an access problem.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt1701
"Has insurance prices gone up or down since Obamacare was passed? "

First off, Obamacare hasn't been fully implemented yet. Most of it doesn't go into effect until next year.

Secondly, medical expenses in this nation have increased over the past 3 years at the slowest rate they have in over half a century.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "atl134" can you answer the questions. Let me give you some help.

From the DN "Obama's health care law to raise claims cost 32 percent"

From Everyday Health "Health Actuaries: Obamacare Rates Will Soar"

From Forbes "Why Health Care Spending Will Explode Under ObamaCare: Evidence From Medicare"

Rrom the House Ways and Means Committee "Obama Administration Officials Confirm a Future of Higher Health Care Costs and Spending Under ObamaCare".

Even if you only look at the past 3 years. Has the cost of insurance increased or decreased? Since Obamacare was sold on the idea that it would cut the cost of insurance, has that promise held up or have we experienced an increase in the cost of insurance.

Are you willing to answer the question? Has insurance prices gone up or down since Obamacare was passed?

If costs have gone up, and are projected to jump up even more next year once more of it is in effect, why should we continue to support a failed healthcare bill that only makes health care more expensive?

Fern RL
LAYTON, UT

I'm not absolutely sure that the reason I can't easily get through to my doctor's office is because of Obamacare, or that it's the reason she has less job satisfaction, but I do think that it would have been better to have a healthcare plan that was less than 100 pages long than the ACA which is over 1024 pages long.

This is not to say that I am very happy with the way Republicans often do things. If they had been more moderate, perhaps there wouldn't be so much extravagant liberalism.

I guess the social media is not providing the same sense of teamwork I think would be needed.

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