Brahmabull; this is a little off subject, but I hope it gets posted; this is a
problem with texting and communication today. if you can't see the face
and hear the tone, it may be hard to understand the comment. so much of
communication isn't in the words. That said, a very interesting story and
one that showed there are 'more than one way to skin a cat!'
to Brahmabull 4/24 8:49aThey are serious & trying to joke. Its
that very same brand of humor being attempted (& not succeeding) in
Sacrament Meetings all along the Wasatch Front every Sunday.
Having a gun does not mean you have to shoot people, any more than having a
kitchen knife means you have to stab them, although both have been used for
murder many times. Thousands of people are murdered with knives; many of those
died only because they were not armed for defense. It's no surprise that
people have gun control on the mind, it's been in the news so much. People
say we will succeed with gun control because now we are more motivated. But,
reality does not care how motivated we are; things don't work because we
want them to work, but because we find out what works, and we do that. One of
those liberal professors told me that being good liberals, and gun control being
the acid test of liberalism, they set out to go through the statistics and
establish the foundation for gun control but found that there wasn't any.
That does not - as some may think - trash the core mythology of gun control,
that they will save one life; but in order to maybe save one life someday, they
disarm millions of us, making it easier to rob and murder us.
One word... Ammon.
The point is the bishop did something, not that he's a bishop or he's
Mormon. The scenarios everyone keeps coming up with really don't matter.
He did the right thing for this scenario. We all need to do the same. We need
to be willing to intervene when someone's in trouble. I'm tired of
stories were people did nothing and watched someone get beat up or killed. Each
one of us needs to react in faith and not fear. We can save the life of someone
else too. If you're inspired to use a gun great. I'm simply glad the
bishop was inspired to take a sword and put a stop to this madness. By the way
this is Utah and there are many many Mormons here. So if you really want to be
surprised do a search in the Book of Mormon for sword. All of the prophets in
that book Lived by swords. Even King Benjamin who was a prophet and a king
fought with his own sword to defend his people. Now go out and have your own
miracle just be sure you're inspired when you do.
According to my police friends, swords and knives are far more dangerous, deadly
and destructive than guns. A close LAPD friend who works in south-central L.A.
told me he had had both guns and knives drawn on him. He was far more afraid of
the knives as he had seen what knives can do to a victim. On one occasion, he
arrested a man wielding a sword only to find out that about five minutes before
the man had cut of another man's hand and about one third of the top of his
head with one blow. The victim had raised his hand to fend off the coming blade
but it did not deter the sword as is just continued on its course. Needless to
say the victim died. However, I still prefer my Glock.
I am seeing a lot of gun comments on here, so just want to add my own. Not
having trained for many years in martial arts, I would feel a lot more
comfortable having a pistol or shotgun. However, if there was a neighbor in
trouble, I would go to help. Gun or no gun, I would still go. I hope other
readers will ask themselves if they would go to help also.
Someone referred to the valiant defender as the "Samurai Bishop;" that
name has a nice ring to it; I hope that more people are inspired to stand with
their neighbors against such acts and their perpetrators. Even if
the attacker had a gun, the bishop could have deflected the first bullet by
calculating the bullet's trajectory and angling his blade; this has been
done before. Given the distance between the combatants, the first shot would
probably have been the last one fired, as the bishop would have been able to
deflect the gun and disable the attacker without undue damage, given his level
of martial skill. The main points of the article though are enough
to encourage others to act, rather than be acted upon. I applaud the
"Samurai Bishop" and his neighbors for their courage and
Gosh-DUH: Steel didn't exist in the Americas then either.
My first thought is that Eggersten was lucky to get away with his arms intact.
My second thought is that although this article focuses on the Bishop with a
sword, many neighbors came out to help... armed or otherwise. Kudos to the
whole neighborhood for protecting each other.
@ eastcoastcoug,Yet, where do the shootings happen? Your from Connecticut
right? Where there are strict gun laws right? And where there should be a lower
probability of those "wackos" getting hands on guns right? You have no
evidence to support your claims, in fact, all evidence points to the contrary.
States such as Texas or Utah have far more guns available for such things, yet
not as many problems. Guns don't kill people my friend.
@eastcoastcoug - yeah, what if, what if. If the attacker had a gun, whether he
fired first or not, the only possible protection and defense would be from
someone else with a gun. I guess it's better to just let him shoot one
person after another."Is Hendrix REALLY going to shoot back
before he is shot?" What if, what if. You're assuming the attacker
would be an excellent marksman and totally disable anyone with a gun, and that
Hendrix would not be smart enough to have it ready. All we would really know in
that scenario is that Hendrix would be completely defenseless without a gun,
even with his sword. Ergo, in your opinion, it's better to be completely
defenseless against someone with a gun.I don't know if
it's complete naivete, or simple inability to think through the
possibilities that's at the heart of the anti-gun delusion. If someone has
a gun, he doesn't have to shoot it, but it clearly gives him greater
control and far more options to protect innocent people against a potentially
This is what is needed to put a halt to crime. When the criminals are so
terrified of their victims that they turn themselves in, that is a step in the
right direction.George Washington would be proud..
Ernest T. Bass - just did a word search for "bishop" in the Book of
Mormon. The word is not found in that book of scripture.
So what if Hendrix had a gun...suppose the robber starts firing first. Is
Hendrix REALLY going to shoot back before he is shot? Maybe not. Love you
yahoo's out there who think every problems is solved with a gun!!The more guns you introduce, the higher the probability some wacko will get
his hands on one and misuse (as has already happened).
Mid West Mom,The other guy didn't have a gun. Did you read the story?
Thornbirds....OK without a gun. Read the posts for the facts. What
if the intrider had pulled a gun?
Cool. Wield that sword of justice Bishop. We need more like you. Red the streets
of that scum.You were the first line of defense for that poor woman. Where
were the police?
But I thought that the only thing that stopped a bad guy with a gun was a good
guy with a gun. Does that mean that the NRA says things that are not true?
The shepherd defending his flock from wolves! gun, sword, bat, people forgets
the high power a righteous bishop has when protecting his flock from harm either
spiritual or physical. That defense was so powerful that the attacker brought
himself to the police. How cool is that?
Too bad the woman didn't have a gun. All of this could have ended at the
carport.But, the democrats voice biden claims you just need to
It's interesting that the ad that popped up at the top of this page was one
advertising "Genuine Japanese Sword Dealer Ships Worldwide."
Just thinking "out loud" for a minute. If the attacker had a gun,
I'm guessing he already would have used it, or threatened to use it, in
which case others (including the bishop) would be staying far away and waiting
for police to respond. If the person coming to the victim's defense had a
gun, he may have been tempted to use it--as someone suggested--to scare the
attacker away or, worse, to shoot at the attacker. Neither seems like a very
good choice. I am neither strongly for nor strongly against guns--it just seems
there is more that can go wrong when the average person has the ability to kill
from a distance than is possible when the ability to kill is available only in
To "Oatmeal" I knew a bishop on my mission who was a blackbelt, and
taught classes in martial arts.It is probably more common than you
think.To "Strider303" that is precisely what Vice President
Biden said to do. He siad that if you are in trouble you should go to your back
porch and fire 1 or 2 rounds from a shotgun.
@ ThornBirds - St.George, Utah - "A sword, baseball bats, rolling
pins......Hey NRA, we knew we were ok without a gun. Thanks, Mr. Hendrix,
for proving our point, and sharing it with everyone!"Yeah.Right up until the attacker pulls out a gun. Then what?Tell
you what....YOU take the rolling pin, I'LL take the gun.Deal?
@John Charity Spring: I think you might be too strident by half in expressing
your opinion about awful filthy Hollywood. This story had nothing to do with
movies, and yet here you are, on a tangent. Why do I get the feeling you hop
from story to unrelated story simply to comment/shriek about naughty movies?
Love this story! Too bad no one had a camera to record it.
@Eliyahu - I don't see any comments lamenting the fact the Bishop
didn't have a gun "so he could shoot the guy." Typical irrational
remark by an anti-gun groupie. I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that
you think people own guns hoping for the opportunity to shoot people. If
you're happy he grabbed his Samurai sword, can I assume you're
lamenting the fact that the Bishop didn't hack him to pieces?The Bishop only used his sword as an intimidating prop, but he would have lost
in a battle of sword vs. gun. If the Bishop brought a gun, and the attacker
didn't, I think it's safe to assume he wouldn't have shot him,
knowing that he didn't swing his sword at the attacker. The
reason this story is newsworthy is not because it teaches we have options other
than guns, and I think it's a stretch to suggest that's the message.
It's newsworthy because it's very unusual and interesting.
Funny comments, but I take exception to Silent Lurker's suggestion of
firing a shot from a shotgun to scare the man. Obviously, Mr. Lurker should not
be allowed near firearms. They are not toys, to be discharged to "scare
people". They should be used to defend yourself or another from imminent
danger to life or limb. Blasting out some one's window or
peppering a car to make a loud noise is foolish and probably would result in
adults taking away the weapon. He could hold the attacker at bay, if he had the
shotgun, but I doubt shooting him would be justified when he ran. It is emotional thinking to "blow the dirt-bag away", but reason would
suggest the Samurai Bishop did the right thing in thwarting the attack and not
slicing the guy into french fries. "Anger is a dish best eaten cold",
my dad taught me and I have learned it to be true.
I'm disappointed, but not surprised, at the number of comments lamenting
the fact that the Bishop didn't have a gun so he could shoot the guy. The
fact is, he got a good outcome without a gun, without shooting anyone, and no
one was hurt. He also doesn't have to spend the rest of his life dealing
with the memories and impact of shooting someone. Just ask any combat veteran or
any cop who's had to shoot someone. It changes you and your life forever.
Kudos for him doing the right thing.
@donnI'm a devoted member of the LDS Church and my study of Buddhism
this past year has been extremely rewarding and helpful in overcoming some
struggles of mine.I have found that Buddhism acknowledges a high
power (as do I) and emphasizes that most of our answers to our problems lie
within our own minds and bodies (as do I). Buddhism's practices of
meditation and acceptance have only made me a more enlightened Mormon.Note: I just pass over the references to reincarnation. Hehehe
He could have used the line from Crocodile Dundee.
RE: Oatmeal Great story... defies the stereotype of what an LDS Bishop. How many
Bishops train in the martial arts?Good for the Mormon Bishop. But how many
Christian clergy train in the martial arts?The roots of martial arts that
are passed down inextricably are linked with Buddhism and is Anti-Christian it
may lead to the worship of false gods and different path of enlightenment.
Saw this story on Good Morning America. Good story, but what does him being
Mormon or a Bishop have to do with it? I'm tired of the media identifying
every Mormon. They don't do that with Catholics or Baptists. I get that in
this case being a Bishop might go against the trend since he brought a sword,
but the story is still a story without the religious mention.
Awaiting Samarai Sword Control any minute now. Alert the libs...
Cats - I do, I couldn't tell if they were joking, it seemed to me they were
Great story... defies the stereotype of what an LDS Bishop. How many Bishops
train in the martial arts?
Brahmabull: Come on. Have a sense of humor.
Sword of truth? Come on guys that is terribly cheesy. The guy did a great thing,
and should be commended. I don't see where religion comes into it.
Thornbird you need to read Silent Lurker, Mojules,cjb and The Rock. They have
presented words of wisdom, you my man have reguritated the anti second amendment
spin we have been reading for weeks.Nice try.
Great story. Reminds me of the steel swords & Bishops in the Book of Mormon.
The BIshop was fine with the sword, but a handgun is a great equalizer
Captain Hendrix and the Sword of Liberty !! This is a great act of courage by
you and your neighbors. The lady was very fortunate in this case. I'm glad
the creep is in custody.
Let the "sword control" debates begin...
"In the fight for right, let us wield a sword--The mighty sword of
truth!!"Go, Bishop Hendrix!
@ThornBirdsNot everybody is a black belt and knows how to use a gun.
I will keep mine, thank you very much.Wonderful story. I smiled the
whole time I was reading.
Of all the news stories I have read in the past year or so this one is by far
Re thornbirdsYes there are alternative to guns. If you are a strong
male who has trained in one of the martial arts for years, you can feel quite
confident defending yourself against most any attacker who is armed with nothing
or something other than a gun.. If you are for example a woman who has a life
outside the martial arts, you'd be better off using a gun.
Knife vs unarmed man, knife wins. Knife vs someone with a gun, gun wins. Lucky
he was the first case.
I can't help but think of the story about bringing a knife to a gun fight.
He should have had a shotgun that he could fire in the air to scare off the
attacker and if needed protect himself. If the attacker were armed with a gun we
might be reading of the bishop's funeral arrangements. Never bring a knife
to a possible gun fight.
This good man must be commended for taking a stand against domestic violence.
Unfortunately, more and more incidents like this will continue to occur.Unlike this good man who spends his time working for the betterment of
the community, far too many are spending their time pursuing entertainment which
glorifies domestic violence. Indeed, many of the movies and television programs
produced in the last year portray domestic violence as a normal and even
prevalent way of life.Even more outrageous is the fact that many of
these shows objectify women and convey the message that violence against women
is acceptable, and is even a humorous activity. The Hollywood producers
responsible for this trash should be ashamed of themselves.The time
has come for the general public to say that enough is enough, and raise up like
this good man and stand for what is right.
Made me smile to see the "sword of truth" go up against an evil doing
person. Nice job with the DNA and license plate memorization!Kudos
also to the 14 year old son for awakening his dad!
Great story! Thanks for sharing
A sword, baseball bats, rolling pins......Hey NRA, we knew we were ok
without a gun.Thanks, Mr. Hendrix, for proving our point, and sharing it