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Published: Wednesday, April 24 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . if we want a new system created to meet the needs of a great variety of students, we should ask outstanding teachers for their ideas."

Agreed. But we can't stop there. There's nothing wrong with a commission that includes a wider section of interested stakeholders.

Business leaders, for example, have a much better feel for the final product schools should be producing than do teachers, whose focus is the process, not the product.

Besides, every time we ask teachers, we're much more likely to hear from their union bosses than from the outstanding teachers, themselves.

And, as we all know, union bosses don't have neither a clue, nor a care, for what we need.

susanoha
Charlotte, VT

Thank you, Lynn Stoddard, for pinpointing what is needed for real education reform. We suffer the same problem in Vermont: People in power refuse to talk to teachers. In a video promoted as "teacher professional development," entrepreneur and Common Core architect David Coleman gives advice to students with learning difficulties. He says they should read the same text "again and again and again and again." He decries offering learning alternatives.

I'm sad to see that this is where Utah seems headed on school reform: Again and again and again and again.

LoveBoxesCkTops
Kaysville, UT

"Great teachers have always placed more value on things that are harder to measure, like intrinsic motivation to learn, curiosity, leadership and creative imagination. They value each student as an individual with unlimited potential."

Amen! So thankful for all the great teachers who have influenced my life and the lives of my children... teachers who have recognized students NOT just as one of a group, but as individuals with unlimited potential.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

I can't for the life of me figure out why such a commission should consist of anything but teachers. Business people? If and only if teachers are allowed to tell businessmen how to do their jobs.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I can't for the life of me figure out why such a commission should consist of anything but teachers."

Yeah, we sure wouldn't want discussion of education to be informed by the needs of the community that will be stuck with having to re-educate the product of our failing educational system, would we?

Let's just continue to isolate "educators," "academics," and their union bosses in their own little soundproof echo chambers, absolutely uninformed or unfettered by any reference, whatever, to reality, accountable to the public that pays their salary, only to the extent necessary to command us to shovel faster, as they become dissatisfied with the inordinate heap of resources heaved in their direction.

That's the UEA/NEA position, anyway.

Education Plus
Vernal, UT

America and the Great State of Utah are in trouble because we have turned all major decision making over to those in power or who have wealth. To take the decisions about education out of the hands of educators, parents and students is a step toward no education at all. Those in power and the wealthy do not see the need to educate ALL CHILDREN. But only if we educate all, will we have a society that can progress, support itself and treat others with respect. Teachers and Parents know what children need -- not sure at all that the legislaure even cares about education -- certainly given the funding they do not approve to support public education.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Here's a real radical thought. Perhaps a task force on education should ask students what they think. And not just the AP and 4.0 students but students that struggle as well...

Henderson
Orem, UT

"Yeah, we sure wouldn't want discussion of education to be informed by the needs of the community that will be stuck with having to re-educate the product of our failing educational system, would we?"

And we all know that business leaders are super concerned with education and would have the kids' best interests at heart... Right? Because, businesses would never ever ever want a poorly educated cheap labor force to exploit... Right?

squirt
Taylorsville, ut

Procuradorfiscal, with all due respect the only "echo chamber" you are listening to is your own. It does not do any good to engage in conversations which are negative and filled with mistruths. The President of the UEA is an outstanding educator, Utah Teacher of the Year,a nationally recognized educator and a National Board Certified Teacher. The UEA's mission is to create a great public school for every child.
Senate Bill 64 created with the UEA last year defies all of your statements. Enough of this blame game.

Lowell Steele
Farmington, UT

From these comments and from others I hear speak about education two things seem evident: a) we are passionate about educating our children, and b) there is little consensus. What if we were to look at it through this lens: what is our desired outcome? Is it proficiency in the "3 Rs", or is it that each child discover his or her innate, God-given talents, develop those talents and gifts, and develop a passion for making a contribution to the world using those gifts (we call those "dreams"). What would such a world look like? How would u like to partner with an educator who looked a your child's potential in that paradigm, as a "great person" in embryo? What if all your children attended schools where Andrew Carnegie's mantra of "What the human mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve" was a key operating philosophy?"

I'm not suggesting we throw out the basics, but rather they be viwed as a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Proficiency is not really all we want for our children.

markovchaney
Ann Arbor, MI

All too typical of the current wave of corporate-driven, for-profit educational deform. As usual, Mr. Stoddard's insights are dead-on.

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