Does it seem odd to anyone except me that the Senate (in their infinite
wisdom)wants to have 12 million "new" aliens compete for America's
jobs when we already have 30-40 million of our own LEGAL citizens out of work?
Senator Schumer has a way of attacking people who give testimony contrary to his
own opinion.I remember a man by the name of Kris Kobach who expressed
concern about Homeland Security's ability to conduct background checks on
illegal aliens seeking amnesty. That was April of 2009.Schumer attacked
him as one opposed to amnesty who would never be satisfied.He never did
address the concern over background checks.And of the eight people called
to testify that day, Kobach was the only one not gung-ho about amnesty.
It's funny how they can stack the deck with witnesses who agree with them.
@Fitness FreakWhen has the Senate, Congress or President for that
matter ever done something wise in the last 30 years?We are in a
recession and the economic numbers are being played with to not reveal it.
Unemployment %, GDP growth etc. All are pawns to be played by politicians now.
Re: Fitness FreakThe people you refer to as "aliens" are
already here and already working. Do you have some image in your head of 11-12
million people all sitting underground somewhere waiting for their status to
change so they can come out of their hideout? Here's another
hint: the employers of these folks don't want to hire citizens for the same
jobs. It's more expensive to do so. Find me 11-12 million citizens who
will pick avocados for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week in all kinds of weather
with nary a complaint, as well as the employers who will willingly hire them and
I'll happily agree to deport everyone here without proper documentation.
Until then, I think we ought to find a solution to the problem that will
actually, you know, work. The Senate bill is a good one.
Re: Say No to BO"It's funny how they can stack the deck
with witnesses who agree with them."Kind of like discussing
funding women's birth control but refusing to hear from a single woman?
Agreed, both parties play politics.
ClaudioIf they are already here and already working... then they are
breaking our law (and won't get citizenship in this bill). You can't
work in the United States without paying taxes (unless you and your employer are
breaking the law and paying you under the table). And you can't pay tazes
unless you have a SS#. And you can't get a SS# unless you go to a dealer
who sells illegal documentation, or steal someone else's identy and their
SS#.People currently commiting identity theft and tax fraud will not
be given citisenship through this bill (at least that's what Democrats
promised)... people commiting identity theft will be deported and not given a
path to citizensip.
@Claudio, increase their wage to $20 and hour (it will raise the price of the
avocado 7%) and the workers will be there. There are many jobs just as labor
intensive. Agriculture workers make up less than 10% of those here illegally.
@2 bitsThe Democrats have claimed that the law will not allow
people convicted id theft, or social security fraud or 1-9 fraud? Our government
has not convicted those here illegally for decades on those felonies. Remember 9/11 and the fact that the majority were here on expired visas? We
can't trust our government to run the immigration department through any
@2bits what do you mean if? do you really think they are not already here?
do you thiknthey wil all just cross back over the border if this law does ot
The US Congress is a bunch of spoiled, whiney, brats in suits that can't
wait to put someone else down as in their view it elevatesd themselves. (See, I
just did it true to their form.)Nothing they do surprises me, except
doing anything correctly for the right reasons, becoming statesmen instead of
politicaians, would truly be surprising and a breath of fresh air.But alas, we keep sending them back to Washington. (Insert "Send in the
clowns" music here.)
The laws dealing with immigration refer to them as alien. From the dictionaryalien n1. (Law) a person owing allegiance to a country other
than that in which he lives; foreigner2. any being or thing foreign to the
environment in which it now exists3. (Literary & Literary Critical
Terms) (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically
an extraterrestrialadj1. unnaturalized; foreign2. having
foreign allegiance 3. unfamiliar; strange an alien quality in a work of
art4. (postpositive and foll by to) repugnant or opposed (to) war is alien
to his philosophy5. (in science fiction) of or from another world
TolstoyObviously they are already here.. and obviously they are already
breaking the laws. So I think it's ludicrus for Democrats to keep saying
that "If they have broken any laws they will not be considered for
citizenship". OBVIOUSLY they are already breaking our laws EVERY DAY they
live here and work here without a legal SS#!
Our immigration policies are like shooting our country in the foot, or perhaps
allowing a Trojan horse in.Unfortunately, we don't have the
leadership to stop it.