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Published: Monday, April 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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one old man
Ogden, UT

And in another place, the Deseret News advocates destruction of the Antiquities Act.

But maybe the DN recognizes Governor Herbert's words for what they are. Herbert speaks with forked tongue.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . Deseret News advocates destruction . . . ."

Funny how liberals can never admit progress, even in areas in which that progress is patent, and which they disingenuously claim to care deeply about.

I guess being truthful about how the environment is actually getting better would mess with their one-trick declaration of everything currently happening in America as a political crisis, requiring their brand of socialist intervention as its "solution."

Liberal politics needs to bounce from one festering, unsolvable crises to the next, in order to justify its existence. That's why liberals see any discussion of success as counterproductive, even in those rare cases in which they may be partly responsible.

What a miserable existence!

MapleDon
Springville, UT

What is the purpose of Earth Day? Who founded it? Who is Ira Einhorn?

This is fodder for the left and their minions.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal

Exaggerate much?

I find it interesting how you cavalierly wield your hyperbole a little bit like a toddler wielding a loaded handgun (how's that for mixing wedge-issue metaphors!).

The reality is that the "moderate majority" -- including the left-leaning moderates, as well as their right-leaning moderate and dead-center counterparts -- do more to further substantive discussion and practical, proactive solutions in the area of conservationism and general quality of life than the "Drill Baby, Drill!" right-wingers and "Wilderness Everywhere!" left-wingers could ever dream of.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Exaggerate much?"

Nah, not much.

It's interesting, though, that you and I are in violent agreement on my original point.

Real people -- they exist on both right and left [though mostly on the right] -- have made substantial gains in cleaning up our environment.

Midwestern rivers no longer catch fire and burn. Back East Love Canals no longer ooze into culinary water and school playgrounds. Unexplained fish and waterfowl kills are rare. West Coast air almost never burns the eyes and nostrils. Even Utah air and water, particularly our winter air, are more pristine now than than ever. At least since I've been looking, and that's a LONG time [ask my grandkids].

Radical, liberal tree huggers, though, won't admit to any environmental successes. Even though some may be theirs.

They daily trumpet fear of, and, by implication, crying need for political crisis, chaos, confrontation, failure, even imminent collapse and apocalypse.

How miserable to live in such a world! Particularly while surrounded by the real world, the one filled with beauty, decency, honesty, opportunity, and love.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal

Though I think that the hyperbole in your original post was a bit much, I readily acknowledge that we do agree on many of the salient points of your original post (though I would assert that the "real people" tend more often to be center-left; but I digress . . .). While there indeed has been significant progress in some facets of cleaning up the environment, there are also other important aspects of our ecosystem that have been either neglected or allowed to deteriorate; in some cases, critically so.

It comes down to being good stewards of the environment, and conserving finite resources. The right-wing fringe tends to wholly disregard this concept -- an approach that is unsustainable; on the other hand, the left-wing fringe tends to embrace this concept to an equally unsustainable extreme. In both cases, the tendency is to be so wrapped up in their ideology that they are unable to "think outside the box" to come up with practical, innovative solutions that protect the environment without crippling the economy.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Re: ". . . Deseret News advocates destruction . . . ."

Funny how conservatives can never admit that progress has been made, even in areas in which they violently opposed the progress, and which they disingenuously claimed would "destroy the economy or free enterprise."

I guess being truthful about how the environment really needs protection would mess with their one-trick declaration of everything currently happening in America as a political threat to jobs or the economy, requiring their brand of fascist intervention as its "solution."

Conservative politics needs to bounce from one festering, easily solvable crises to the next, in order to return us to the dark ages rather than solve the crisis. That's why conservatives see any discussion of conservation or environmental responsibility as counterproductive, even in those rare cases in which they may be partly responsible.

What a miserable existence!

one old man
Ogden, UT

Procura, you are correct when you write: "How miserable to live in such a world! Particularly while surrounded by the real world, the one filled with beauty, decency, honesty, opportunity, and love."

So why do you and your friends keep trying to destroy the beauty, decency, opportunities, and love that abound around us?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . why do you and your friends keep trying to destroy the beauty, decency, opportunities, and love that abound around us?"

Thanks for making my point.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Stewardship - funny word.

I was back in Utah a couple of weeks ago visiting family and friends, and it struck me what Brigham Young must think about what has become of the state. From master planned cities to a land of endless billboards,strip malls, no central planning, and a cluster of random stuff.... the oasis in the desert looks like a place the he would hardly recognize. A land where billboards seem to out number trees.

Progress and planning can coexist. I don't get this idea that they are mutually exclusive of each other.

I don't understand the mentality of being super concerned about not leaving debt to our kids... and not the world we will leave them. No to debt, but depleted resources, clean air and water - all sacrificable in the name of progress and jobs.

Snake Man
Holladay, UT

Our governor sure can write a good letter; it's just too bad he doesn't back up his flowery prose with real, workable solutions to preserve Utah's unique environment. Instead, he's busy trying to sell it off to the highest corporate bidders, spending millions to "reclaim" cow trail "roads" and fighting any and every attempt to further preserve what wilderness remains by giving it protected status.

Talk is cheap, governor, and rhetoric is worthless. It's time to do something meaningful.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

procuradorfiscal:

Everyone's in agreement that some things are indeed better, many of the specifics you mention.

I remember a lot of those debates, in particular the emergence of the EPA and their mandating the use of unleaded gasoline to clean up air pollution, and specifically to lower the level of lead found in the blood of children.

At the time it was a serious ideological battle, with hysterics of economic doom for the US economy, even from the likes of Lee Iacocca, then the CEO of Chrysler (I believe), who specifically claimed that not only would the US automobile industry be fatally harmed, but that enormous damage was going to be done to the entire US economy.

Here in Utah there was intense fury that mandating unleaded gasoline was a horrendous, unjust assault on freedom from the feds, that engines were going to be far worse, etc.

Of course we seemed to have survived that horrendous blow to freedom pretty well, with lead levels in childrens' blood going down 93%.

But reality doesn't diminish the irrational fury from the right on new issues. Same fury, different issues.

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