Quantcast

Comments about ‘Letters: NRA suggestions valid’

Return to article »

Published: Monday, April 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Bob Dobbs
Salt Lake City USA, UT

There is no hope of having bipartisan agreement in the current gun debate. Those who hate the NRA and have an irrational fear private firearms ownership will never be able to have a meaningful dialogue on the subject.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

NBC News; "The Newtown Board of Education wants more armed police officers in the town's four elementary schools after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary. Last night, they decided to ask the town to approve the request to include one additional full-time Newtown police at each of the elementary schools in next year's budget."
If only this had been done before Adam Lanza! The only way to stop bad people guns with guns is more good people with guns!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I have posted the verbiage in the Heller supreme court ruling.

The ruling was delivered by Scalia and joined by Roberts, Kennedy, Alito and Thomas.

I was accused of "twisting" their words.
Please explain how the exact wording is "twisting"

Here is the part that deals with allowable restrictions.

I doubt these guys have an "irrational fear of firearms ownership"

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

one old man
Ogden, UT

There is no hope of having bipartisan agreement in the current gun debate. Those who hate our government and have an irrational fear spawned by overdoses of hate radio that background checks be done before allowing private firearms ownership will never be able to have a meaningful dialogue on the subject.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm pro gun rights and I think universal background checks would have been a good idea.

To all the people who propose hiring armed guards for all of our schools: are you willing to pay more in taxes to support all of these new government employees?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Same here Roland,

I think the those on the right think that all "lefties" want to ban guns.

There is much support for background checks, even with gun advocates and those on the right.

However, there is little support nationwide with removing the ability for people to own guns and protect themselves. The American public would not stand for it, including the vast majority of the "left".

Reasonable, constitutional restrictions should not be seen as anti-gun.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Is the NRA going to pay for these armed guards? if not, who will?

So let me get this straight...

We have thee lowest per pupil funding in the entire nation... Many of our schools don't meet earthquake building codes... Many still don't even have air conditioning. And believe me, many textbooks social studies uses are out of date (showing that Russia is the ussr and that Germany is still divided) yet somehow we can afford to put armed guards in every single one of our schools? Huh?

For folks who hate taxes we sure are proposing some expensive solutions to violence. Instead of attacking the core heart of the problem, too many powerful guns being sold to anyone, we keep beating around the bush. Beating around the bush not only costs lives but is incredibly expensive.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The truth is that the NRA leadership and others have made a very positive suggestion: Place experienced, armed security officers in schools to protect against harm to our children.

============

The truth is they never suggested HOW to pay for it.
Tell me -- NRA supporter...
Is that BEFORE or AFTER we start start buying pencils for children?

But the Teachers guns,
but can't buy the children pencils.

Ridiculous.

This being suggested as a viable solution in the LOWEST school spending in the United States of America.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ LDS Liberal; How to pay for armed guards in schools? Easy, just take the money out of the Dept of Education budget and cut out some of the frills that they waste money on, like half the administrators, vice principals, and junkets they go on. We spend more money per student in America than any other nation, except Switzerland with poorer results than most other countries. That's why charter schools are so popular, they are less expensive and the children actually get a good education!

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Didn't we just go through a debate on these posts over whining about too many non-teachers employed in schools?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"We spend more money per student in America than any other nation, except Switzerland"

How many of those schools have organized sports? Music? Arts? Once again, you fail to grasp the entire picture.

How many of those schools agree to pay for the education of minorities and other folks who have immigrated (illegally)? Of course, we can't do anything about that because repubs who don't want to hurt their big business contributors and lose votes will never actually do anything other than amnesty illegals.

The bottom line is, if you wish to pay higher taxes, then keep voting with the NRA. They are all about higher taxes and beating around the bush.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Aside from the fact that the background check did pass, applying normal procedures-- not the 60 vote threshold that Republicans have imposed on anything getting done in the Senate, gun control legislation was DOA in the House.

But this issue represents just one more thing Republicans are on the wrong side of with most Americans.

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Seeing armed guards at our schools with semi-automatic weapons is another reason to consider home schooling.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Mountm pulls another of his standard right tropes by suggesting that funding for the "Ed Army" be taken out of the education budget from all that fat and waste there. I believe if we should get an actuarial estimate of the cost of arming every school, we should raise taxes to pay for it and put it in with the property tax bill with a line item for all to see the true cost of this "security". I suspect the right would find such and increase intolerable and an infringement on their "rights".

PS. Does the left have rights or only lefts?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The NRA and their GOP stooges want America turned into a Police State.

Nothing conditions the next generation of children into growing up into paranoid gun lovers than seeing and believing they can only be safe and secure when surrounded by armed guards.

Kind of like the scared and ignorant North Koreans...

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

""We spend more money per student in America than any other nation, except Switzerland"

A factual but very misleading statment. That is like comparing the cost of living in San Francisco to Provo.. you can't just take raw dollars and make statements like this. It is about as close to lying as you can get.

Now if you look at the number as percentage of GDP...not the same story is told. There are numerous countries that spend more per child per gdp -Norway, Isreal, Iceland, Korea to start with.

The idea of placing armed guards in each and every of the 98,817 public schools is rediculas. The same crowd who thought the TSA was an over reach, now want to put guards into our schools. Of the recent mass killings, one, only one, occured at a school. The rest were in public places, and placing more armed guards in schools does nothing to prevent those killings.

It would sell guns to 100,000 more people though. What a coincidence.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Why should my side listen to your side when your side refuses to listen to my side? Earlier in the debate I was fine with a compromise plan that gave your side the armed guards for schools thing. Now I just want it to lose. It's not like it really makes things safer anyway, after all the reason school shootings are such massive shocks are due to their rarety and even then...

@Mountanman
"The only way to stop bad people guns with guns is more good people with guns!"

...Columbine had an armed officer.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

LDS Liberal

"The NRA and their GOP stooges want America turned into a Police State.

Nothing conditions the next generation of children into growing up into paranoid gun lovers than seeing and believing they can only be safe and secure when surrounded by armed guards.

Kind of like the scared and ignorant North Koreans..."

You are becoming irrational. You are just putting everything you hate into categories where it doesn't even belong like comparing pro gun advocates to north koreans. That makes no sense whatsoever. In North Korea only the government has guns. Isn't that what you are trying to promote?

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Not to mention In North Korea, all political dissidents are put to death. That should be a liberals paradise.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Im a gun owner and still support universal background checks. They work. Last year in Utah alone 600 unqualified purchasers were turned away because of background checks. Why would we let those people walk next door and make their purchase without a check?

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments