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Published: Sunday, April 21 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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wrz
Pheonix, AZ

They can background check til the cows come home. But no one can be denied a gun... Says so in the Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment... For those who may not have access to a copy it goes something like this... 'the fight of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' Sounds fairly clear to me.

If there's to be any restrictions on gun ownership it should come from the US Congress. And it should start with Congress amending the 2nd Amendment. But will the Congress do anything like that? Not likely. It's too hot a button. Politicians don't like to jeopardize their cushy jobs by having black marked on them.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Unfortunately, we can not have a reasonable discussion about background check.

That is not the discussion that the NRA wants. Why? Because it is clearly supported by an overwhelming majority of the American People.

So, they turn the discussion into

- Background checks are in violation of the 2nd Amendment.
This is clearly not true. The Supreme court has ruled that background checks ARE constitutional.
You may not like it. You may not agree with it. But that does not change the FACT that background checks ARE constitutional.

- This will lead to a national gun registry with the governments ultimate goal to confiscate all guns.
Why would the government want to confiscate our guns? Do you have such little faith in America?
Has the federal government EVER done ANYTHING that would suggest that?

There are extremes on both sides.

Left extreme - get rid of any and all guns.
Right extreme - Any gun, any place by any one.

The bulk of Americans do not fall into either of those 2 camps. And I can assure you that even those who support background checks would NEVER allow a federal gun ban or confiscation.

I give the American people much more credit than some.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

When we have the "best congress that money can buy" the will of the people is of little consequence.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The Supreme Law of the Land says that government cannot infringe on our right to keep and bear arms. The letter writer disagrees with the Supreme Law of the Land. He disagrees with the Senators who upheld the Constitution and who were elected by the people to represent the views of the States. He agrees with a President who has violated his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution when Obama pushed legislation that would make our right to keep and bear arms null and void. He refuses to use the method chosen by the people to modify the Constitution, i.e. an amendment proposed by Congress and then ratified by 75% of the States.

In short, he is calling for the Senate to disregard the Constitution. He is calling for the President to have power over the people. He is calling for government to dispense rights, when the Constitution clearly and absolutely requires government to submit to acknowledge that all rights are held by the people and that government is allowed to perform a small number of enumerated duties for the people - duties which are listed in Article 1, Section 8.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

You will find what your looking for. My Dad would say that to me every time I got into trouble. If someone really wants a gun, they will find it, somewhere.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

We the people have been usurped by them the monied. The NRA, oil companies, pharmaceutical outfits, big tobacco...those that fund campaigns hold sway. Something needs to be changed.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

Mr. Burt hits the nail on the head! "90% of Republican Senators" voting NO Hatch and Lee included, all the while thinking of ways to use their next NRA campaign donation. But lets not forget the four Dems. who voted NO, while shaking in their boots for fear of being primaried by the NRA and Tea Party in the next election. There is definitely a shortage of backbone in DC these days. Seems votes are easy to get, respect is another issue!

Confused
Sandy, UT

Here's what bothers me about letters like this....

Do you actually know all the things that were in bill that the Republicans defeated? Yes there were some good things in it that would help with purchases of guns, but there was some very wide open interpretation of parts of the bill that made people scratch their heads..

This is why they should not combine things into one big bill...

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

When has the GOP done the will of the people since Obama became president? Their #1 priority isn't to do the will of the people but to make Obama a 1 term president, remember? Now that he was reelected, they are opposing him just to make Democrats look bad: maybe even force the economy into another recession so that they can blame democrats later to make it easier for themselves in the next presidential election.

It is time to get to business and do the will of the people. But the GOP refuses to do so

MacKayJones
PROVO, UT

There is a lot that Richard doesn't understand. 1) the "40%" is a myth. It comes from a Clinton-era survey of . . . 251 people taken before the Brady Act instituted mandatory federal background checks. The real number is closer to 10%.

2) Richard also doesn't know that making a straw purchase is currently a federal offense. It is illegal.

Rand
Ogden, UT

"We the People" doesn't have much sway with any elected representative who allows a powerful gun lobby to grade lawmakers on their voting record. Legislators live in fear of offending the NRA.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Since alcohol and illegal drugs kills and destroys far more lives than guns, maybe we should have more laws against drinking alcohol and illegal drugs! Think of the lives background checks, mandatory waiting periods to purchase alcohol, meth or cocaine and limited container sizes of would save in America! Do it for the children! We know addicts and criminals will obey these laws don't we? Parade drug and alcohol abuse victims on TV and demand new laws against these evils. After all, liberals, we need to be consistent in fighting evils plaguing our nation don't we?

ronnie
sandy, utah

Your thoughts are my thoughts but your words are better than my words. Thank you Richard Burt.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

There needs to be a constitutional amendment to get rid of the filibuster. The blocking of reasonable bipartisan will be the high mark of obstruction and game playing.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Politics is about survival, who can put you out of office, who can give you the resources you need to keep getting re-elected.

At this point, almost all GOP Congressmen (and some Democrats from Red States) fear the 10% from the NRA more than they do the passive 90% who would support background checks, outlawing straw purchases, etc.

A sizable chunk of the 90% will be outraged enough to help contribute resources to like-minded political organizations, like Mark Kelly's PAC. Sadly, the 90% can't simply assume their representatives will do the right thing. (This is discouraging in itself, part of how politics turns people off.)

But until the GOP and red-state Democrats fear getting booted from office by angry voters who are focused and motivated by a political organization that counters the NRA, there's no reason for Congressmen to change their orientation.

If enough people who are outraged give money to Mark Kelly's PAC, maybe we'll begin to see GOP and red-state Dems "evolve" their positions on these issues. Until then, nothing will happen.

"Nothing" is the goal of the NRA.

Copy Cat
Murray, UT

Facts matter, and this letter has distorted the facts. It is already illegal to buy a gun for someone who legally cannot. No need action needed other than enforcement.

I seriously doubt that 90% want more background checks. That number has been created through carefully crafted deceptive polling. I thought more background checks was a good idea until I learned that it also requires everyone who sells a gun to keep a record of who they sold it to, i.e. they are making a registry. One day the government will call in all those records and the gun registry will be complete. That is contrary to the Constitution, and rights to privacy.

Utah's senators did the right thing. Great job Senator Lee and the TEA Party, and the NRA.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:wrz, MikeRichards
You conveniently edit the 2nd Amendment, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State."

Your views are far to the right of the conservative Justicies serving on the Supreme Court. And the conservative Justices serving today are to the right of past conservative Justices on this issue.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Again and again Richards and others distort the 2nd Amendment. I am still waiting for you to inform us what "well regulated" militia you belong to and if so then why do we have a standing military? Again and again Richards and others pick and choose what part of the Constitution you want to follow based on your bias. With every right comes responsibility and if you aren't a responsible gun owner you should be excluded like I would be with the 1st Amendment if I yell fire in a crowded dark theatre. How do I know? It has been established by law, another part of the Constitution. If you are using the argument that background checks won't stop all crime then lets repeal all restrictive safety laws because they don't stop violators as the fertilizer explosion in Texas demonstrates.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Here's a little experiment for Mountainman, Mike Richards, and their philosophical kin:

Do you support the right of *any* US citizen to purchase as many, and as powerful of guns they can legally purchase, including 100 round magazines, even if they're disgruntled immigrants from muslim nations? May these same immigrants also purchase as much ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel as they wish, without the federal government tracking their activities?

And if you believe the feds actually should track immigrants and perhaps restrict their activities, what makes you think the same federal government couldn't track you and limit your rights?

Does Rand Paul still want to get up on the soapbox and claim the federal government must never have the right to track US citizens?

At some point, the ultra-right needs to temper their paranoia that the federal government is the enemy. Come in off the range, boys, and sit down and talk rationally with the rest of us.

Maybe it's not inevitable that our government in DC is going to become tyrannical. This paranoid fantasy is what actually allows people like the Chechen brothers in Boston to operate.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Forty percent of those who purchase guns are not subject to background checks . . . . Currently, there is no law prohibiting "straw purchases."

Here's a good illustration as to why it's impossible to have a reasonable conversation with liberals about gun laws -- they lie.

Straw purchases for prohibited persons have been a 10-year/$250k felony since 1968.

And, Obama's 40% figure is a lie. It comes from a dated, questionable study, includes intra-family gifts and inheritances, and is "rounded" up from 35.7%.

Most tellingly, that same study found that only 3.9% of purchases are made at gun shows.

Funny we've never heard that. Or that most gun-show purchases are from licensed gun dealers, who are already subject to current background check laws.

It's hard to have a meaningful conversation with people who want to start it off with a disingenuous premise.

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