Having belief in a religion does NOT make one a conservative.You can
be a conservative and have no religion or religious belief at all.There are many on the liberal or leftest side with extreme religious beliefs,
such as forced charity, forced behavior as they choose, anti-liberty and
anti-agency, pro-abortion, pro-porn, pro-homosexuality, and so forth.Funny how it is the extreme left that is most supportive of radical islam, not
the right.These two adults are Radical Muslims, one of them even had
a youtube channel filled with Al Qaeda propaganda videos and even had radical
training abroad.Their motivation is not in question.
"Their superiors made it clear to take him alive if possible--SO THEY
DID"So, superfluous, you think because they did not shoot him as
he lay bleeding out in the bottom of a boat, that this somehow proves your
point? Oh my. Okay, last time, if, because of the suspects actions,
the police had been forced to shoot at him they would have shot to kill him.
They would have never tried to just wound him. Now if the suspect was not posing
an immenent threat then perhaps the police would have used less then lethal
means. But when a police officer feels that he or she must discharge their
weapon at someone they will shoot to kill. That's just the way it is,
except in the movies. You see, the only way you can shoot at someone is if they
are an immediate threat, and a wounded person is still a threat. (Look at the
second suspect, he could have still killed more people.) The FBI will function
under these rules of engagement also. Your critisicm about no one
knowing how to shoot to not kill, only makes sense to someone that watches too
I would like to know when we, as Citizens of the United States of America are
going to come first and be treated as such.?
If they don't red him his miranda rights and deny him due process, they can
do this to anybody. We have the NDAA to thank for this which is basically an
expanded version of the patriot act. The only reason this
wasn't blamed on the tea party was because the photos on infowars made them
change their script.
Cris B.Sandy, UTBut they're Muslims. So we'll
downplay that as much as possible.10:23 a.m. April 19, 2013 And yet they'll downplay the Muslim aspect as much as possible.==========Cris -- Since you are such an expert on
"Terrorists"Could you please explain to all of us the
difference between a "Muslim" Terrorist, and a "Christian"
Terrorist, or a "Palestinian" Terrorist, or an
"Irish" Teroorist?Because most of the other 9 Billion people
on this planet think a Terrorist is just a Terrorist, period.
"When you Receive Marksmanship Ratings - YOU CAN OPEN CARRY ON OUR CITIES
STREETS "I would bet that even many of our so called liberals on
this board would agree with that.And, no doubt that the gun
advocates would scream loudly.It seems illogical that one can get a
concealed carry permit without ever shooting a gun. And with a mere 4 hour
class at that.
The fear of death coming to the homes of Bostonians. How sad and what a terrible
feeling to be in that position. Hopefully most of them had a gun in the house to
protect the lives of their families.
All those Government resources onsite and it took an old lady looking out her
window to catch the suspect - lol - Wonder how our Government will use this to
grow its Bogus Anti-Terrorism Agenda? - More Anti-American Bogus Legislation
being passed - translation= Civil Liberties being further trampled on & Maybe Homeland Security can buy 6 billion more rounds of ammo and thousands
more military assault weapons - Want to really stop this from happening again
-* Truly investigate those who wish to come to the United States -
and that includes - doctors , students , engineers , tourists etc etc and if
they have any doubt about the person - well sorry but maybe next time - YOU CANT
COME !* End the Stupid Gun Free Zones - Require Advanced Gun
Training & When you Receive Marksmanship Ratings - YOU CAN OPEN CARRY ON OUR
CITIES STREETS - Only ones that wouldn't like this scenario is Law
enforcement and criminals. And as Always law enforcement only shows up AFTER a
person has been wounded or killed - but an armed citizenry would greatly change
that.* The sheep all glued to their TVs on Friday, being further
brainwashed into the belief that Government will save them LOL.
Labeling these murderers as conservatives brings some inappropriate humor into
this dreadful event. Such labels don't translate into useful descriptions
of radical terrorists. The families of those killed by Timothy McVey don't
take comfort that they died at the hands of a right wing crazy rather than a
left wing crazy like Ted Kaszinski. Stalin or Hitler, it's the same?
@Chris B:Why do you frame U.S. Citizen and Muslim as being mutually
exclusive?Here's another thought: Maybe it's not news thst
the bombers are Muslim. I mean, there is little chance people have not heard of
Muslim extremism before now. And here's a radical thought---maybe this
wasn't Islamic jihad. Maybe the older brother was just your garden variety
crazy. Is any of that possible.
"Woken up." Really?? What kind of English is that?
@Mark. Thank you for your criticism. You are so smart, how do you do it?"stop trying to judge the actions of these professionals."It is because they ARE professionals that I judge them. They have the
means, the equipment, and the skill to take someone down without killing them.
Their superiors made it clear to take him alive if possible--SO THEY DID.
Anybody can shoot to kill. John Wayne must have been there. Duh!
Patriot,You and many of your like minded DN readers have just spent oodles
of time telling us about freedom and promoting your version of the Second
Amendment of the Constitution.Did you forget that? Not sure how you
will accomplish your wish.
To the old switcharooIf you insist that Radical Muslims are
"conservative", in the sense that about half of the country is
conservative, then you have to own that big government godless socialism was
liberal. In other words NAZI.
Re: LDS Liberal"Radical Muslims are considered right wing
crazies"Is that like National Socialists are considered left
@tolstory,We unfortunately cannot control peoples ideas and who they
associate with.If you have a good way of keeping Muslim terrorists
out of our country and a way to prevent Muslim terrorists here in American
communicating with and working with Muslim terrorists in other countries that
would be a good place to start.It's becoming more difficult for
the liberal media to pretend there is no correlation between terrorism and
Islam.This is another example they are strongly related. And until we care more about US citizens than offending a muslim we'll
continue to see acts such as this carried about by terrorist muslims.
Quite correct. Radical muslims are conservatives.They want to impose
religious standards on the entire population, they believe god excuses their
violence and wants them to impose his will on earth.They are also
wrong about everything.
While the US is watching what is happening related to the Boston Bombing,
Congress has repealed the STOCK act. (Stop Trading On Congressional Knowledge)
It passed in 24 seconds.
@patriot Considering they have spent as much of their time "growing-up
here in the US as in Russia what would you suggest we do to stop the twisting
thinking here? Maybe stop with gross stereotypes? That might be a good start.
@jsfFather is in Russia.One of them was a citizen, the other had a
Yes, superfluous, they wil try to convince him to surrender. But if they do
shoot at him they are going to shoot to kill him. To say, "Doesn't
anyone know how to shoot without killing?" Is the height of ignorance.
Police don't shoot just to "wing" someone. When they shoot they are
shooting for center mass. They are shooting to kill. Always. Yes,
perhaps you should go back to your old westerns and stop trying to judge the
actions of these professionals."Doesn't anyone know how to
shoot without killing?" Indeed.
County Mom: That's not what your first post said. Why didn't you
just say what Counter Intelligence said in the first place? I have no argument
with that!Counter Intelligence: See County Mom's very first
post! County Mom said it, not me!
obvioulsy the culture these two brothers grew up in contributed to their twisted
thinking. The question now is how do we stop this sort of thing in the future?
@ksampow"By the same reasoning it was a mistake to allow the
Oklahoma City bomber, the Colorado movie theater shooter, and all of the
perpetrators of the school shootings to be born in this country."False argument, ksampow. Persons born here to American parents have an
inherent right to be here. Persons born elsewhere do not have an inherent right
to immigrate here. The Boston and Gang of Eight stories very much
are relevant one to the other.
Instead of saying "all Muslims are killers" or "the mentally ill
need to be locked up," let's focus on the one thing we know for
certain about all our recent kiilers: they're all male. So maybe we
should treat all men as if they are killers. Makes about as much
sense as a great deal of the garbage being posted.
Cris B.Sandy, UTI guess it was pure coincidence I correctly guessed
the religious background of these terrorists. I was told on these
boards many times yesterday I was wrong and that it was likely a right wing
crazy.============ UM -- FYI, Radical Muslims ARE
considered right-wing crazies.They hate Liberals, Immorality and the
Thank you Counter Intelligence. We want the borders to be regulated,
protected and policed. We as a nation, need to make sure those who enter
our country are willing to live within the laws we have established.I
supposed you have watched the news, then you know that many of our public lands
are no longer safe to travel. Utah's back country has been invaded by
illegals planting pot farms along stream beds and hill sides. Down here we
have been warned by the US Forest Service to not go into the back country
unarmed or alone in the summer time. These men do carry guns. Do you all
want to live like this still.Close our borders so the entrance into our
country is regulated! It is that simple.
Oh my gosh Mark, you are so right. I base my comment knowing that the
intelligent people of the FBI are also saying "take him alive".Bye, gotta get back to my old westerns.
Might it not be a good idea to see what was said to the police regarding an
attempt to steal a car that made them think they had found the suspects?
I'd surely like to know more about that and how the police ended up in a
gun battle with them. I guess I'll reserve judgement until more facts and
less hypertension and hyperventilation are displayed on these blogs.I am glad one of the two are off the streets.Isn't it amazing
how much evil can be axccomplished by even just one family? Marathon races are
now changed forever and I don't think anyone over 12 years of age will ever
forget what happened this month in Boston. I know I won't.The
best to those still in critical and serious condition in Boston hospitals and
those injured, maimed and families of those killed in the horrendous event.
These are life-changing and life-ending events. Prayers for each affected
"Doesn't anyone know how to shoot without killing?"Oh
my gosh, superfluous. I assume you are basing your comment on your extensive
background involved in real shoot outs and police actions. No, you are just
basing it on your history of watching old westerns, aren't you? Yeah,
that's what I thought.
We do not need more inflammatory rhetoric, nor folks beating their chest to say
"I told you so," but to seek to understand with more patience, for the
full story to come through. Then we move to take care of the problems at the
root, and always with compassion for people.
To anti-liar and everyone else who tried to make this an immigration issue:By the same reasoning it was a mistake to allow the Oklahoma City
bomber, the Colorado movie theater shooter, and all of the perpetrators of the
school shootings to be born in this country.This is NOT about
immigration. Any more than Sandy Hook is about gun control (or Boston -
"pressure cooker" control?) Passing laws restricting legitimate
activity is not the answer.(Yes, immigration is a legitimate activity -
most Americans are here because of the immigration of our ancestors.)There are two ways to fight evil: with good (i.e. being good neighbors,
teaching values, etc.) and with force when necessary (police, military, citizens
defending themselves with guns, etc.)
Third try screen name says "Their parents are still in Russia. (Shame on us
for separating families.)" No they were here with their mother who is now
in jail for theft. No one separated them from their parents. The boys were
@xscribe"Okay, now that some are calling for closing our borders, then
we must close our borders to everyone and send everyone who is here right now on
a visa back to where they came from."That is a misrepresentation
designed to justify the illegitimate villification of those who disagree with
you: Most illegal immigration opponents are fine with legal immigration and
don’t want CLOSED borders - they want CONTROLLED borders. And yes; that
applies to immigrants from anywhere. And yes; if they are here ILLEGALLY, they
should go home and start over with a LEGAL process.
Doesn't anyone know how to shoot without killing? You need to find
everyone these people know, and dead people are difficult to question. Start
with "angel boy's" father.
Okay, now that some are calling for closing our borders, then we must close our
borders to everyone and send everyone who is here right now on a visa back to
where they came from. Again, that should be everyone, not just the ones people
think are Muslim.By the way, Cris B: There are hundreds of Muslims
in Norway, and yet it was one of their own that killed the innocent there.
Wonder why that is? And I have to assume you have stopped watching and
supporting those sports whose atheletes have converted to Muslim, and would
support kicking those particular Americam Muslims out of the US??
I guess it was pure coincidence I correctly guessed the religious background of
these terrorists. I was told on these boards many times yesterday I
was wrong and that it was likely a right wing crazy.You better
believe if these were NRA card carrying Christians, that would be the focus of
this story in the liberal media.But they're Muslims. So
we'll downplay that as much as possible.
Third try screen name"The backstory is emerging that these boys came
here as refugees ten years ago. Their parents are still in Russia. (Shame on us
for separating families.)"WE did not separate them - they came
here and separated themselves - shame on you for your misplaced blame
This is called locking the barn door after the animals have left. We allow
anyone to walk into this homeland and basically do as they please, we jump to
meet their demands and satisfy their desires, and then we really wonder why
things like this take place. And when they DO happen, rather than stopping the
influx of unknowns and miscreants, we rush to the other side of the planet and
spend hundreds of billions trying to change their cultures and ways of life. We
have to be some of the slowest learners in the history of the world.
If these were NRA members the liberal media would be all over that.And yet they'll downplay the Muslim aspect as much as possible.
What a bitter disappointment for the left wing press: surveillance cameras
actual have value (ACLU take note.), the terrorists were not tea party members
and the NRA was not involved.
Outlaw pressure cookers. Please pass a bill demanding an extensive background
check on ALL people ASSOCIATED with pressure cookers. The Constitution does
NOT protect people bearing pressure cookers. Stop them NOW.
How did they become monsters at such a young age? Read the remarks of the
father. It seems clear he not only knew about and approved of his sons'
actions, but is cut from the same bolt of cloth. It wouldn't surprise me to
learn the family sent them here for just this task and collaborated with them in
The backstory is emerging that these boys came here as refugees ten years ago.
Their parents are still in Russia. (Shame on us for separating families.)They apparently did not assimilate well.There are reports that the older
one got a green card back in 2009 and had a domestic violence rap sheet from
2011, probably not enough of a record to get him deported at that time.The
question is going to be their involvement with terrorist cells. This would be
an extreme reaction from two boys working alone.Political correctness has
been a hindrance to investigations in the past.
"How will we ever know they are guilty?Something seems fishy"Oh my gosh. Really? What seems fish? "But a successful
propaganda campaign has falsely shamed Americans into silent submission "Silent submission? What are you talking about? What world do
you people live in?
26 and 19. They were practically still kids. How could someone become a monster
so young? What a shame.
How ironic -- considering a mistake clearly was made when these two brothers
were admitted into this country -- that literally minutes from now, the Senate
will be considering the Gang of Eight's immigration "reform" bill
which within six months (despite Marco Rubio's brazen denials to the
contrary) would formally grant legal residency status to tens of millions of
illegal aliens who in fact have demonstrated by their actions that they do not
respect this nation nor its citizens. But a successful propaganda
campaign has falsely shamed Americans into silent submission to the Gang of
Eight's surrender of U.S. sovereignty that they dare not open their mouths
in dissent. How "compassionate" of them.
How will we ever know they are guilty?Something seems fishy
The cell phone and mobile cameras that people use due to freedoms are an amazing
tool when used for the correct reason. Thanks to citizens that just happened to
be there and using their cameras on this occasion. Not all of these people were
young, just youthful in enjoying the Marathon for many good reasons, people they
know were there. This was due to very good coordination with the
FBI, local and state police organizations and the citizens providing
information, most of it good for the investigation.Thanks to all.
HS Fan: I agree. But also the citizens in the area who called in tips deserve
some kudos for this unbelievably quick location of the suspects!
Wow!! You don't mess with the U.S.. I am in awe of our police and FBI.
Let's hope suspect #2 is caught without any more harm to the innocent.
Now, maybe we aught to close our borders?