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Published: Wednesday, April 17 2013 9:30 p.m. MDT

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SME
Bountiful, UT

...testimony before the state Legislature by several people who said they were harmed by the counseling.

Wasn't there anyone who could have testified about begin helped by the counseling? Or were they not invited.

Perhaps those so eager to regulate could consider actually inspecting abortion mills. See the Kermit Gosnell case.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@SME --

"Wasn't there anyone who could have testified about begin helped by the counseling? Or were they not invited."

In medical testing, researchers have to prove that any given treatment is both effective AND safe. If it fails on either one of those -- either effectiveness OR safety -- then it is rejected.

One huge problem with this therapy is that it's often performed on minors -- people who aren't old enough to give informed consent. That means we have an even larger responsibility towards ensuring their safety.

It's important to note that NO major mental health organizations approve of conversion therapy. All of them caution people about the risk of harm -- specifically things like depression, negative self-image, increased social isolation, suicide -- and that these types of treatments encourage prejudice and discrimination against homosexuals.

One study in the journal "Professional Psychology" reports that rates of depression, anxiety, alcohol and drug abuse and suicidal feelings are roughly **doubled** in people who undergo therapy. That's serious harm!

Some former ex-gay-movement leaders, such as the Exodus International founders, have even **apologized** for their former involvement with conversion therapy and the harm it caused to their patients.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Wasn't there anyone who could have testified about begin helped by the counseling? "

Because they couldn't find any

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I applaud those who are addressing a problem they have and trying to change.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

those helped were not invited - plain and simple. I suspect if any had come forward, they would have been barred.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Let me ask this question.

Do you think that there is any "conversion therapy" that could make you gay?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

JoeBlow,
to answer your question - yes. Only it is not called "conversion therapy" but it is the indoctrination CA and Il are trying to force onto preschoolers.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@lost in DC --

"Only it is not called "conversion therapy" but it is the indoctrination CA and Il are trying to force onto preschoolers."

Do you seriously believe that children in preschool are somehow going to be "turned gay" by a few lessons in a classroom? Really??

If so, could you please explain your claim with a few more details?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

amazondoc,
Yes I do.

Why do preschoolers need to be introduced to ANY type of sexuality if not to start poiting them in a certain direction. Sexuality is the FURTHEST thing from a preschooler's or kindergartner's mind. It's "icky and gross" to them. Why introduce it if indoctrination is not your goal?

I have heard, though I cannot remember the source, that the indicidence of homosexuality in the general population is around 2%, but increases to 5% for those who are raised by homosexuals. So, yeah, I do believe a greater exposure to it at a younger age will add to more kids being "turned gay" as you term it.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@lost in DC --

"Yes I do."

Why do you believe that orientation is that easily altered? If it were that easy, don't you think there'd be a whole lot MORE gay people out there?

"Why introduce it if indoctrination is not your goal?"

Maybe because it's important to side-step prejudice at an early age? Giving children racially diverse learning materials doesn't make them "turn" black, right? Would educating children about Judaism somehow make them turn Jew?

"the indicidence of homosexuality in the general population is around 2%, but increases to 5% for those who are raised by homosexuals."

In reality, roughly 3-5% of the general population is homosexual. Being raised by homosexuals does NOT increase homosexuality in children.

There are many sources to support this conclusion -- including the National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, which has followed families for about 30 years now. In this study, 0% of the girls raised by lesbians identified as lesbian, and the lesbian-raised boys "were no more likely to have engaged in same-sex behavior" than boys raised by straight families.

There are other studies saying the same thing -- but I only get 200 words per post!

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