Published: Thursday, April 18 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
@Curmudgeon,If you think that I'm "extreme", then you
must also think that President James Madison was "extreme", because he
wrote the Bill of Rights. You must also think that Alexander Hamilton was
"extreme" because he argued that no Bill of Rights was necessary because
the people, not the government, held all rights.You must also think
that Jesus Christ is extreme because he forgave fully some "sinners".
He did not limit their freedoms after they had been forgiven. A
felon who has been released from jail has paid whatever price demanded by
society. He owes nothing more to society. Society owes him his freedom. He
paid the bill in full. You imply that a convicted felon is forever
a slave to the State; that he can never again receive his freedom, no matter
that he paid the price required. I find that line of thought to be both
illogical and reprehensible.
re: jsfI think the point is here that many commenters are comparing
a pressure cooker to a gun. And suggesting if we ban guns we need to ban
pressure cookers. It’s a silly comparison, and they all know it. Having a
pressure cooker is not a crime. Using a pressure cooker to make a bomb is.
Bombs are pretty much illegal for anyone to make or have. No one is suggesting
that all bombs are registered, or that we need to have a background check before
someone buys a bomb.I certainly think people have the right to own guns.
Along with that, I would like to see gun owners secure their weapons, and be
held responsible when they are not secure.If your gun discharges and kills
a person, toilet, or table accidentally, you should be charged with something
criminal.If a child get hold of your weapon and kills another child, you
should go to prison.Requiring a background check to buy a gun is not
@Mike RichardsSo I guess you are also against a registry for
convicted sex offenders. After all, once released from prison, they have paid
their debt to society, and no one is entitled to know that they once molested
little girls. I suppose you'd have no problem employing them to care for
your granddaughters. Every time you post you confirm my statement.
How tragic it must be to view the world in stark black and white--no gray, no
@RoscoeThere's not constitutional right to have zero regulation on
guns in this nation. Even Scalia agrees with that. (Scalia's the most
conservative judge on the court... and yes I have to state that because someone
in one of these threads once responded to my stating this by calling Scalia a
Public Service announcement–Some Important signs of lead
poisoning: Learning difficultiesDeclines in mental
functioningMemory lossMood disordersPlease wash your
hands with cold water after handling your ammo.
The NRA is a lobbying organization to promote the sale of guns. Period. Before
it promoted gun safety. Now it works to encourage everyone to have a gun for
defense against a tyrannical government. It concerns with the Constitution and
2nd Amendment rights is just a ruse to sell more guns. Nothing in the
Machin-Toomey bill allowed for any infringement upon someone's right to
purchase a gun. And the idea of developing a national registry was explicitly
declared illegal under the legislation.However, the NRA said that
the legislation would invalidate the 2nd Amendment and move toward establishing
a national gun registry. Both false allegations. The fear the NRA has ginned
up and the paranoid they generate is, as they have determined, is the best
marketing tool they have. In fact, NRA finds that mass shootings like at
Aurora, CO, and the Sandy Hook Elementary School is good for business. More
guns get sold after such disasters than without such tragedies and the NRA
simply fans the terror for financial gain.
The defeated legislation will assist bad people and potential bad people in
It seems to me that the people who support this bill are the same people who
supported the income tax amendment. They probably used the same arguments. It
only affects a select few people. Now it affects everyone. The bill
will only start as just background checks, but it would grow into something
more. Just like New Yorks bill. They said it wouldn't lead to any
confiscation, but it has.
History will decry the failure of this country to enact reasonable laws to
protect citizens from the ravages of assault weapons. You who parrot the NRA
lines will bear much responsibility for the continued slaughter.Since 1980 about 3500 people on American Soil have been killed by terrorists.
Most of them on 9/11. To counter that we created a whole new government agency
and legislated vast new laws granting the Federal Government sweeping new
powers, some of which clearly infringe on certain Constitutional rights. But
guns are killing more than 30,000 Americans each and every year, and we
can't even get and up or down vote on legislation to require a background
check, even when it was so watered down to exclude private sales? What is wrong
with this picture?
Guns, just like bombs, axes, swords, knives, and hands, kill people. These,
though, are tools. We trust these tools in the hands of experts, such as law
enforcement, and chefs, but we don't trust them in the hands of
psychopaths, and rightly so. The NRA encourages proper training for the safe
handling of these tools. Why vilify them and not the people who perpetrate and
promulgate heinous methods of using these tools? People, it would seem, are the
problem. When we have better people, we will have less problems with the ways
they use their tools. Until then, depriving people of tools to defend themselves
doesn't seem like such a good idea.
Are you kidding me? Albertus, this must have been done
"tongue-in-cheek". How can anyone be this ignorant. And once and for all, it isn't the NRA's fault. It's the
Constitution's. So if you want to place blame, then look no further than
the Founding Fathers.
Using this same sort of ignorant thinking perhaps we should now ban all PRESSURE
COOKERS after the Boston bombings - right? Yes let's go door to door and
take granny's pressure cooker away - the one she uses to put up peaches -
after all if there are no more pressure cookers there will be no more bombings
...CORRECT?? Holy geez people this really isn't this hard if
you think with your head instead of your emotions. Bad guys will ALWAYS get
illegal guns. The guns used at Sandhook were obtained ILLEGALLY !! Bad people
are going to kill. Evil exists. Taking guns away from law obeying citizens only
makes it much easier for bad guys to rob stores, kill at will in grade and high
schools, rape and do pretty much what ever they want. To the college co-ed
walking across a dark parking lot - if this girl has a 9mm semi auto in her
purse and is trained in it's use her chances of getting assaulted just
dropped dramatically. Good people have the RIGHT to protect themselves and their
families regardless of what the communist left thinks. In Communism there are no
I am a proud member of the NRA for 30 years!!! I hunt and my wife and family all
have been trained in gun use. God bless the NRA. Without the NRA America would
soon become the old USSR or Communist China - a gun-less society. People
..please do some research regarding the second amendment and why it is CRITICAL
in any free society.
Let me tell you something, when someone comes to your house to rob you and they
have a gun pointed at you, and you don't have anything to protect yourself
such as a gun...you're going to be out of luck...even though you're
like 80 years old Ad.
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