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Published: Tuesday, April 16 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Politics is a dirty game. And it is dirty on both sides. At times, one side may stoop lower, but be sure that the other side will catch up.

This is nothing new. McConnell and the GOP is no better or worse than the Dems.

What bothers me is the polarization. The need to think that the "other" side is worse.
It is escalating.

That trajectory is terrible for this country.

Suggestion. Set your boundaries, then call out any and all who overstep them. You will be surprise how often your own party is guilty.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Joe Blow. Actually history shows there is a huge difference between Dems and GOP when it comes to dirty tricks. Dems get away with it! Remember Watergate? Why, it was the crime of the century! A President resigned in disgrace and people went to jail. Compare that with Ted Kennedy (Chappaquiddick), Hillary Clinton (white water caper ,cattle gate scam and missing documents lies) Bill Clinton (Monica Lewinsky) Barney Frank (male prostitution ring) and on and on they go. Dems walk away unscathed but not GOP crooks, they pay for their crimes! The news media never holds Dems accountable and protects and enables Dems. Then the short memories of low information voter is the difference.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

I agree with Joe both sides play the game.

Thanks for the AM radio Opinion, yep its alway the media or the leeberals or someone else.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

That is the problem Mtnman.

Partisans can only see (and remember) the wrongdoings of the other side.

I could post an equally long list of GOP malfeasances, but they would go right by you.

In your mind, GOP=Good and Moral, Dem = bad and immoral.

Keep on your blinders. They will help you sleep at night.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Dirty tactics work because the people accept them and more often than not vote for the most effective dirty player. What does that say about us?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

All I am saying is Democrat crooks get away with their immorality. Republican crooks are forced resign in disgrace. No blinders here at all,we see it frequently. Has Obama been held accountable for his malfeasances (Benghazi, White House leaks, wasted "stimulus" package, Solyndra, etc) like GWB was excoriated for his malfeasance? Not even close and if you can't see it, its you that has blinders.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Politics is what it is, dirty.

The focus here should be on what is illegal, that being wiretapping. Nothing on the 'tape' is illegal, but the existence of the tape is illegal.

But as Mountainman points out, it was democrats who made the tape illegally, and they always seem to get a pass on their activities. This will be a test of the law and of justice. I don't hold high hopes justice will be served.

Lew Scannon
Provo, UT

Or is it possible the GOP simply has a persecution complex?

FT1/SS
Virginia Beach, VA

@Joe Blow I'am an Independent voter who votes on both sides. I would like to see your long list of GOP's who got away with it. I can only think of one, the rest resigned. Mountainman can at least back his point!

Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena
Provo, UT

Re: Mountanman Hayden, ID

You believe what you want to believe. "Facts" you cite may or may not have relevance. Granted politics appears to have its own rules. If you are on the other side, you may not want to believe anything that is critical of your side but instead focus on what is negative (or entirely untrue) of the other side. This is simply extreme partisanship. Well, what else is new?

Illegal bugging? Maybe. However, the dirty tricks squads of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove are truly amazing from a strategical perspective. If you look at them from an ethical point-of-view, they are really abhorrent. Nonetheless, it all depend on where you are standing politically. If you are a Republican, Atwater/Rove are okay. Whatever they did to win an election was entirely acceptable. Yet if you are a Democrat, you don't like what they did because they (surprise! surprise!) were better.

So, Mountanman, you appear very partisan. One doesn't know how far to the Right, but one can imagine pretty extreme Right, politically. It doesn't matter. There is a consistancy in your views, and everyone should appreciate that fact.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

So, you really want to compare Watergate to Lewinski and Whitewater?

You consider those similar offenses?
Do you not consider Impeachment a punishment?

For one, A GOP appointed special prosecutor looked FOREVER at those 2 things.

Kennedy? Yes, he got away with it. So did Rangle.

My point is (and was) that the GOP has just as many moral and legal failings.

Are you suggesting that those who get prosecuted dont belong on the list?

Tom Delay?
David Vitter
Bob Ney
Scooter Libby
Ted Stevens
Cunningham
Alberto Gonzalas

Many of these were convicted in court. Not the news media.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Politicians continue to increase the division in America...Tearing apart the very strength of our nation.

And we, the people, continue to fall for it.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

So what I hear is that Republicans NEVER have abortions, smoke pot, have extra-marital affairs, or are Gay?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Both parties are obviously playing the same game. McConnel should pay the price for what he did, and the person who illegally bugged the McConnel campaign should pay the price for what they did.

IMO what McConnel did is what every politician does. Disapointing but nothing illegal.
But bugging the campaign was illegal (remember watergate)? And releaseing a recording you know was obtained illegally to the media... is as unethical as it gets.

Personally I think there should be a higher price for doing something illegal than for being a slimeball politician.

Even if the person who bugged the campaign was a rogue agent... If Democrats knew the recording was illegal, and then releasing the results of the illegal survailance to the media... they should pay a price and ABSOLUTELY NOT get an advantage from it.

If the Democrats get an advantage from conducting illegal surveilance... there's no justice.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" actually what you hear is that Republicans have standards and when they break them they pay the price. Democrats have no standards, therefore they can do whatever they want because no standard has been broken.

The bigger question here is why does a stupid comment make the bigger headline than a poltician who breaks the law?

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

Quite frankly, one is most releived after reading quotes from the tape, that person, be it man or woman, is NOT running for office!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Here is the crux people need to learn about the reality of todays world - there is no privacy. Your actions may be recorded at any time, in any circumstances. Period.

And the end result of that, I actually have no problem with. It is going to result in people having to be the same person in private that they are in public. You will not be able to be two people.... pretend to be nice, but behind closed doors, say vicious things about your neighbors and "friends".

I am sorry, it is just going to force people to behave as they should. I used to joke with my kids that I was allowed say things about other drivers on the road if the windows were up, because what is said in the car stays in the car. We all know this is silliness.... and I work hard to be more consistent.

But we use the "private life" excuse too much. A man that cheats on his wife in private, will also cheat on others in other ways. Consistency in character - there is real value there.

People's spots don't change...

SWP
Provo, UT

@UtahBlueDevil

This is absurd. Of course people should consistently be the same person whether they're in public or not. However, I appreciate the right I have to privacy. I don't share every thought and feeling I have on an open forum, but I do share many of them with my wife and close, trusted friends. That doesn't mean I have two personas, it means I'm emotionally healthy. EVERYONE should be able to reasonably expect privacy.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

SWP - You may appreciate the right to privacy, but you are foolish to believe that right extends far beyond your own porch. And in particular, your silly to believe that anyone has the right to privacy in public locations - even offices. Every time you move, your cell phone is capturing your location. If you have cable, everything watch is being collected - and sold.

But what I really resent is the cowardice of many. If you think I am a jerk, and go around telling people behind my back I am a jerk, have the decency and courage to call me a jerk to my face. If you have problem with someone - you deal with them about the problem.

This idea that people feel morally ok about trashing someone else's reputation without giving them the opportunity to defend themselves shows a true lack of morals. More people have been hurt by gossip and story telling then have ever been hurt violently - and the damage usually last far longer.

What ever happened to the old saying that "if you don't have anything nice to say - just shut up" ( ok, I took liberties with the last part)

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