Quantcast

Comments about ‘Letter: No evidence 4.5 million killed by climate change each year’

Return to article »

Published: Monday, April 15 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Stan,

I hope that you noticed that the overwhelming majority of those commenting on that article, called bunk on those numbers.

And a good chunk of those commenters were self proclaimed "liberals". I say "good for you".

All too often, people believe anything that bolsters what they already think. And are quick to discount ANYTHING that does not.

This happens constantly in politics (and religion for that matter).

It should be embarrassing in both instances.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

"Let us dispense with the pretense that we need massive public spending..."

Sadly, the climate debate is so fraught with emotions, we get hung up on the validity of one fact or another.

I personally see so much written about "how much it will cost" to transition to a cleaner, lower-carbon and price stable energy system that one fact that gets overlooked is the actual cost of the status quo of 19th century technology and the burning more fossil fuels.

Every day during the news, I see on TV commercials from "The People of Oil and Gas" that features an attractive, business-like spokeswoman who makes assertions about how oil and gas are 'making the fuels' for 250 million cars with a 'safe infrastucture' for oil and gas. The commercial shows America as clean, happy, and safe...BP also has ads telling us how great the Mexican Gulf is now after their $20 billion clean up...

... and yet, the news is reporting about oil spills in Arkansas and Willard Bay, yo-yo prices of gasoline that cut into American households' budgets, coal mine collapse in Utah killing someone's son/father, etc.

Do people see the disconnect?

Liberal Today
Murray, UT

What critics of this number fail to understand is that the hotter temperatures cause people to go crazy and incite violence. You notice terrorist groups come from the hottest places on the planet. I am sure the Newtown shooter was suffering from global warming, and that is why he shot up Sandy Hook Elementary.

You can easily point to global warming as the cause of most of the unreasonable violence against humanity.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Liberal Today. You are on to something. It was hot that day in Tucson when Loughner shot Giffords and 18 other people. And it was hot that day when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building and killed 168 people. Its not more gun control laws we need after all, its weather control laws we need. Thanks for helping! You, as a liberal have wonderful logic....lol

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Those who believe in transfer of wealth from the producers to the non-producers will support any tax that takes money from the "rich guy". They will use any propaganda to justify that transfer of wealth. They will pay "scientists" with government grants to "prove" that there is a "cause/effect" relationship. Those "scientists" who depend on those government grants, will "find" evidence to support that wealth transfer. Those "scientists" will keep their jobs even after their "data" has been exposed to be false and fraudulent because those "scientists" and the universities they work for depend on government grants to operate.

Follow the money. Always follow the money.

airnaut
Everett, 00

When over 1,000 die every year in Utah every year due to the effects (directly and indirectly) of fossil fuels...

...an Utah represents 1/3,000th of the earth's population --

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to quickly determine that 3,000,000 people could be dying annually worldwide just by doing using simple statistical analysis.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Airnuat -

Over-the-top exaggeration on deaths from climate change is helpful in identifying the craziness of the whole tree-hugger group.

Thanks for helping.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah
Follow the money. Always follow the money.

8:47 a.m. April 15, 2013

------

We do, it always ends up pointing at the Oil Industries.
[You know, the one's making $100 Billion quarterly porfits and STILL getting $25 Billion tax pay funded subsides.

========

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT
Airnuat -

Over-the-top exaggeration on deaths from climate change is helpful in identifying the craziness of the whole tree-hugger group.

-------

"Dr. Brian Moench, founder of Physicians for a Healthy Environment, estimated that poor air quality contributes to 1,000 to 2,000 premature deaths each year along the Wasatch Front." ~ Deseret News.

Playing dumb, Ignoring the problem, Denying it even exists in the 1st place is even crazier.

D&C 131: 6
It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance.

God said it, I believe it.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Denial is ugly.

So is dishonesty. You should admit you didn't look up anything about it and you would deny it no matter what the numbers were.In creased temperatures simply increase disease proliferation. Scientists you think are stupid are actually pretty good and figuring things out.

"A report commissioned by the governments of more than 20 countries found that more than 100 million people will die as a result of climate change by 2030 if the world stays on its current path.

According to the second edition of the Climate Vulnerability Monitor, climate change and fossil fuel use already causes nearly 4.5 million deaths each year, and could increase to about 6 million deaths per year by 2030. The report, released by DARA, an independent, Spanish-based non-profit, suggests that time is running out for the situation to be reversed."

airnaut
Everett, 00

...and there was no evidence of Iraq really having weapons of mass destruction,
but that didn't stop Republicans for invading a soverign nation who never attacked us and cost us $3 Trillion and 5,000 American lives.

BTW - I'll believe 98% of the Scientists around the world about Global warming,
before I believe ANYTHING a Republican politican [or AM radio college drop out] has to say again.

pipercomanche
West Jordan, UT

Why should facts get in the way of progressive socialism - it hasn't in the past.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Follow the money. Always follow the money.

8:47 a.m. April 15, 2013

==========

Rothschild, House of Rothschild.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@airnaut
Everett, 00

D&C 131: 6
It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance.

"God said it, I believe it."
*****************

God also said...

Proverbs 14:15
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going."

I choose to not believe the rants of airnaut and his fellow climate change alarmists.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Proverbs 14:15
The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going."

I choose to not believe the rants of climate change deniers because I am a prudent man who tries very hard to learn the FACTS before speaking or writing.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

one old man
Ogden, UT

And I am a prudent man who isn't influenced by the politically correct preachers of doom.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

The key word in the headline is "evidence". None of our commenters has provided any.

One of them quoted the original assertion. One of them conflated pollution with climate change. One of them appealed to authority. One of them used putdowns and sanctimony.

But none of them provided any evidence. Why does it surprise them when no one is convinced?

Wally West
SLC, UT

re: Mike Richards 8:47 a.m. April 15

"Follow the money. Always follow the money."

Oddly, I agree w/ Mike reiterating Cui bono.

The real question to me is where does the money trail begin?

jsf
Centerville, UT

"Dr. Brian Moench, founder of Physicians for a Healthy Environment, estimated that poor air quality contributes to 1,000 to 2,000 premature deaths each year along the Wasatch Front." spouts numbers that may or may not have any truth to them in the context of his agenda. His agenda is elimination of pollution, CO2 is not pollution. As to the GW extremists Rueters reports today,"Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown" More and higher CO2 and warming decreasing. Facts do matter and the models are not supporting actual experience. Theories of man made GW are bogus. Facts and actual experience.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@airnaut/open minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Air pollution along the Wasatch Front has nothing to do with global warming: Certainly is it good to clean up our air and I support that effort, however there were plenty of inversions for thousands of years long before the Salt Lake Valley was settled.

Playing dumb, obfuscating the problem, and raging into full-fledged hysteria is crazy - AND it undermines credibility of the cause.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Until you get India, Russia, and especially China to sign-up to reducing their CO2 emissions, then anything we do to decrease our emissions here in the U.S.A. will be the equivalent of "spitting into the wind."

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments