Stan,I hope that you noticed that the overwhelming majority of those
commenting on that article, called bunk on those numbers.And a good
chunk of those commenters were self proclaimed "liberals". I say
"good for you".All too often, people believe anything that
bolsters what they already think. And are quick to discount ANYTHING that does
not.This happens constantly in politics (and religion for that
matter).It should be embarrassing in both instances.
"Let us dispense with the pretense that we need massive public
spending..."Sadly, the climate debate is so fraught with
emotions, we get hung up on the validity of one fact or another.I
personally see so much written about "how much it will cost" to
transition to a cleaner, lower-carbon and price stable energy system that one
fact that gets overlooked is the actual cost of the status quo of 19th century
technology and the burning more fossil fuels.Every day during the
news, I see on TV commercials from "The People of Oil and Gas" that
features an attractive, business-like spokeswoman who makes assertions about how
oil and gas are 'making the fuels' for 250 million cars with a
'safe infrastucture' for oil and gas. The commercial shows America as
clean, happy, and safe...BP also has ads telling us how great the Mexican Gulf
is now after their $20 billion clean up...... and yet, the news is
reporting about oil spills in Arkansas and Willard Bay, yo-yo prices of gasoline
that cut into American households' budgets, coal mine collapse in Utah
killing someone's son/father, etc. Do people see the
What critics of this number fail to understand is that the hotter temperatures
cause people to go crazy and incite violence. You notice terrorist groups come
from the hottest places on the planet. I am sure the Newtown shooter was
suffering from global warming, and that is why he shot up Sandy Hook
Elementary.You can easily point to global warming as the cause of
most of the unreasonable violence against humanity.
@ Liberal Today. You are on to something. It was hot that day in Tucson when
Loughner shot Giffords and 18 other people. And it was hot that day when Timothy
McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building and killed 168 people. Its not
more gun control laws we need after all, its weather control laws we need.
Thanks for helping! You, as a liberal have wonderful logic....lol
Those who believe in transfer of wealth from the producers to the non-producers
will support any tax that takes money from the "rich guy". They will
use any propaganda to justify that transfer of wealth. They will pay
"scientists" with government grants to "prove" that there is a
"cause/effect" relationship. Those "scientists" who depend on
those government grants, will "find" evidence to support that wealth
transfer. Those "scientists" will keep their jobs even after their
"data" has been exposed to be false and fraudulent because those
"scientists" and the universities they work for depend on government
grants to operate. Follow the money. Always follow the money.
When over 1,000 die every year in Utah every year due to the effects (directly
and indirectly) of fossil fuels......an Utah represents 1/3,000th of
the earth's population -- It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to quickly determine that 3,000,000 people could be dying annually
worldwide just by doing using simple statistical analysis.
Airnuat - Over-the-top exaggeration on deaths from climate change is
helpful in identifying the craziness of the whole tree-hugger group.Thanks for helping.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahFollow the money. Always follow the
money.8:47 a.m. April 15, 2013------We do,
it always ends up pointing at the Oil Industries.[You know, the one's
making $100 Billion quarterly porfits and STILL getting $25 Billion tax pay
funded subsides.========BadgerbadgerMurray, UTAirnuat - Over-the-top exaggeration on deaths from climate change
is helpful in identifying the craziness of the whole tree-hugger group.-------"Dr. Brian Moench, founder of Physicians for a Healthy
Environment, estimated that poor air quality contributes to 1,000 to 2,000
premature deaths each year along the Wasatch Front." ~ Deseret News.Playing dumb, Ignoring the problem, Denying it even exists in the 1st
place is even crazier.D&C 131: 6 It is impossible for a
man to be saved in ignorance.God said it, I believe it.
Denial is ugly.So is dishonesty. You should admit you didn't
look up anything about it and you would deny it no matter what the numbers
were.In creased temperatures simply increase disease proliferation. Scientists
you think are stupid are actually pretty good and figuring things out. "A report commissioned by the governments of more than 20 countries found
that more than 100 million people will die as a result of climate change by 2030
if the world stays on its current path.According to the second
edition of the Climate Vulnerability Monitor, climate change and fossil fuel use
already causes nearly 4.5 million deaths each year, and could increase to about
6 million deaths per year by 2030. The report, released by DARA, an independent,
Spanish-based non-profit, suggests that time is running out for the situation to
...and there was no evidence of Iraq really having weapons of mass destruction,
but that didn't stop Republicans for invading a soverign nation who
never attacked us and cost us $3 Trillion and 5,000 American lives.BTW - I'll believe 98% of the Scientists around the world about Global
warming, before I believe ANYTHING a Republican politican [or AM radio
college drop out] has to say again.
Why should facts get in the way of progressive socialism - it hasn't in the
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahFollow the money. Always follow
the money.8:47 a.m. April 15, 2013========== Rothschild, House of Rothschild.
@airnautEverett, 00D&C 131: 6It is impossible for a
man to be saved in ignorance."God said it, I believe it."*****************God also said...Proverbs 14:15The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his
going."I choose to not believe the rants of airnaut and his
fellow climate change alarmists.
Proverbs 14:15The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh
well to his going."I choose to not believe the rants of climate
change deniers because I am a prudent man who tries very hard to learn the FACTS
before speaking or writing.
one old manOgden, UTAnd I am a prudent man who isn't
influenced by the politically correct preachers of doom.
The key word in the headline is "evidence". None of our commenters has
provided any.One of them quoted the original assertion. One of them
conflated pollution with climate change. One of them appealed to authority. One
of them used putdowns and sanctimony.But none of them provided any
evidence. Why does it surprise them when no one is convinced?
re: Mike Richards 8:47 a.m. April 15"Follow the money. Always
follow the money."Oddly, I agree w/ Mike reiterating Cui bono.
The real question to me is where does the money trail begin?
"Dr. Brian Moench, founder of Physicians for a Healthy Environment,
estimated that poor air quality contributes to 1,000 to 2,000 premature deaths
each year along the Wasatch Front." spouts numbers that may or may not have
any truth to them in the context of his agenda. His agenda is elimination of
pollution, CO2 is not pollution. As to the GW extremists Rueters reports
today,"Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown" More
and higher CO2 and warming decreasing. Facts do matter and the models are not
supporting actual experience. Theories of man made GW are bogus. Facts and
@airnaut/open minded MormonEverett, 00Air pollution along the
Wasatch Front has nothing to do with global warming: Certainly is it good to
clean up our air and I support that effort, however there were plenty of
inversions for thousands of years long before the Salt Lake Valley was settled.
Playing dumb, obfuscating the problem, and raging into full-fledged
hysteria is crazy - AND it undermines credibility of the cause.
@Counter Intelligence"Air pollution along the Wasatch Front has
nothing to do with global warming"It does have to do with global
dimming though, which actually counteracts global warming somewhat (this is part
of the reason the Earth didn't warm much from the 40s-70s, it was the 70s
when we ramped up our pollution control efforts which helped reduce smog, but
also removed some of that dimming-induced damping on the warming).
The deniers will never believe anything until first they are personally affected
and then their handlers on FOX and Glen Beck tell them it's ok to believe
it.So go ahead and make sure you let your grandchildren know how you
feel now about it. They should know who to blame later.
Famine in Africa due to drought is really not all that hard of a number to
measure. Here in the Americas, had we not had the food distribution system we
have, the drought in the mid west the last couple of years would have been
equally devastating. These conditions 100 years ago, like the last dust bowl,
did result in the displacement of thousands of people.To question
that the droughts which appear to be a result of changing weather patterns
caused by climate change are fictitious, imaginary, and without impact raises
serious doubts about the authors objectivity. Its not just about Utah, or the
United States. We know that the drought in Africa is having impact... this is
not in debate.... or shouldn't be by reasonable people.