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Sen. Rubio says immigration deal needs tough terms

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  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    April 17, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    It will be interesting to see how many Latino votes Marco Rubio would get vs. any other Republican. I suspect that the illegals largely want government money and stuff first, more than they want one of their own in the White House. I doubt Obama would have gotten anywhere near the amount of black votes had he been a Republican. The time seems to be coming when so many people in America will be dependent upon getting stuff for nothing, that our economy, and therefore our freedom, will come to an end. I feel like half of the people, like HS Fan for instance, are like the frog in the slowly boiling water. When that number gets significantly above 50% we will have reached a point of no return. That's just my optimistic point of view.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    April 17, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Border enforcement has always been the big problem with any of these immigration bills. Reagan passes a huge bill with the provision of amnesty and enforcement. It always becomes amnesty only and little or no enforcement. We who believe the borders should be secure from not only people, but guns, drugs, bombs, disease, and anything else illegal that can harm American citizens are demanding that a priority be put on border enforcement this time. What's wrong with that?

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    April 15, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    "All of this, however, is contingent on the border security and enforcement, Rubio said."

    In which case, it will never happen. Because the borders will never be secured. It's a physical impossibility. We have too much border.

    And what about the visa issue? An estimated 43 percent of illegals come here on legitimate visas but don't go home when the documents expire. What about them?

    @hubbardesquire:
    "Obama does not enforce..."

    You got that right. In his January inaugurated he took an oath to see that our country's laws are faithfully executed. He's failed miserably which should be grounds for impeachment.

    "This is amnesty pure and simple."

    You also got that right. Illegals eing able to stay in this country regardless of the form of documentation, is amnesty.

    "... or self-deport..."

    Self-deportation is the cheapest and most effective way to deal with the illegal immigration problem. And how is it done? Enforce E-Verify. Cheap and effective. No jobs and they will go home. And most of the US Border Patrol can go home, as well.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 15, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    "Namely, its cheaper to pay a lobbyist to try to influence BOTH political parties and avoid paying prevailing wages, than to actually pay a decent wage."

    Yup. And campaign contributions work well also.

    I never understood how the money in politics became a partisan issue.

    How can anyone think that corporate or union contributions and lobbying don't affect our legislators?

    Why isn't EVERYONE working to get the money out?

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    Funny to watch the GOP and conservatives wrangle with this issue. Business owners are tired of all the jockularity from the GOP and want the issue to be resolved and their access to cheap labor secured. Right wing, Tea Party folk are stuck in a fantasy land thinking they can either get illegals to self deport (Oh, Mitt) or ship them back altogether. In any case, the GOP continues to provide humor to some and heart burn to others.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Lately high-tech companies have begun dedicating mass amounts of money to lobbying for H1B visas so they don't have to pay computer scientists/engineers etc. the prevailing wages.

    They've obviously learned from the lobbyists who have been working for various small businesses for years.

    Namely, its cheaper to pay a lobbyist to try to influence BOTH political parties and avoid paying prevailing wages, than to actually pay a decent wage.

    Politicians are purchased VERY cheaply these days!

    The current immigration bill is nothing more than a smokescreen in order for unethical employers to continue undercutting wages of actual legal citizens.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 15, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Why is it these politicians parse words, hoping we'll be fooled into accepting amnesty because they claim they are not rewarding bad behavior?
    Marco Rubio has lost credibility with conservatives over his recent activities.
    Bush did the same thing, as did Obama.
    These triggers are nonsense. They haven't secured the border. They aren't enforcing the laws in the interior. They just want to hand out work papers.
    A move like that does not benefit the citizens of the United States.

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    April 15, 2013 12:57 a.m.

    Obama will say that this is amnesty because he will pick and choose the wording that he likes. Obama does not enforce, and illegals do not follow, the current law why should we believe they will suddenly do differently with a new law. Give me a break. This is amnesty pure and simple. You can keep it and let all the illegals be deported or self-deport right away, without delay.