BYU ruined Jake Heaps by making him share time with Riley Nelson. I hope the
Cougs have learned a lesson from this.
Just glade the grit is done playing. Ol would not improve a weak arm.
Heaps of praise.
He should do alright, I'm pretty sure the Big12 banned defense a decade ago
GD,"Jake is the best argument for not starting a freshman qb"Tell that to TX A&M's QB who won the Heisman as a Freshman and
went to powerful Alabama and won. Tell that to Kellen Moore of BSU
who was a stud from Freshman to Senior year.Any QB can shine under
the right circumstances. Any QB can start at any college year. Jake is playing
for a good coach. He'll be fine. Had their been different circumstances
at BYU when he was here, he likely would still be around. Imagine being a
freshman QB when your team goes Independent and expectations to do well the
first year are through the roof. Add that to playing on ESPN all the time too.
We need to give the guy a break.I want him to do so well at KU and
silence all the BYU fan haters out there.
ekute"At Kansas, with a Major Conference OL, he will have the last
laugh on bronco and riley."That's like saying "At Utah,
with a Major Conference OL, Jordan Wynn will..." Wait, never mind.
Awesome! As a BYU fan, I hope he does well in Kansas and develops as both a
football player and as a young man. I'd love to see him have great
@eastcoastcoug - exactly what has the "Talent" done, other than perform
well in practice? Seems BYU got the same stellar result in practice. I'm
guessing Ziggy, Van Noy, Collie, Pitta, and probably everyone on the team would
strongly disagree that BYU does not develop its talent.
Just shows what "Talent" can do when combined with real coaching. BYU
does not develop its talent, much as I love my Cougs...
Jake is the best argument for not starting a freshman qb. Had he sat out a
year and returned I think I would have done a good job. Too much pressure on a
freshman to be a big time qb. Good luck to Jake. I hope he does well.
Jake Heaps is not a student at BYU. He will never return. BYU will never play
Kansas while he is there. Let's just drop the subject. Wish him well but
please, please, no more articles about Heaps. He is gone. Gone. Gone
Papa Smurf UTE--Jake Heaps is miles ahead of anything the utes can muster. I
wouldn't cheer a team not bowl worthy, or capable of winning of winning
half their games. Period.
There is now way Jake was "mismanaged." He had everything a kid could
want or need - strong academics, housing paid for, food paid for, school paid
for, firesides, and the BYU Creamery.
Provo4life,What you say makes sense except for one thing. At least
Rily was willing to throw the ball out there for a receiver to go get. I
remember being frustrated that Jake would never throw the ball down the field
like he did his freshman year. Maybe Doman wouldn't let him, but that
doesn't make any sense. That was his biggest strength.
I honestly believe that if BYU would recruit players with arms on their backs,
and another set attached at the knees and an 8 foot pair out the top of their
heads, Heaps would have had a sensational careeer at BYU. But since they do not
have such sets of arms, Jake needed to take his time to learn and practice hard
to become a great passer. BYU was likely not a good fit for him, because Doman
could not create an offense that worked for Heaps' development needs. The
pressure was too great to win games, and Jake could not deliver a pizza, much
less a football. I think Jake should have sat out a year and come back to the
new BYU of 2013, but since he didn't, I wish him the very best at Kansas.
He's a great young man and deserves his best shot! Go Kansas and Go Cougs!
Despite ample opportunities I do believe Jake was mistreated here at BYU. The
role of a backup QB is to come in and create a spark. It is a player the other
team hasn't schemed for. That is what Riley Nelson did against Utah St. But
anyone who watched that game knows he threw a lucky hail marry to the middle of
the field that somehow M jacobsen caught and then a tipped ball td to M
Matthews. Yet, somehow he became the starter after that game? Jake had a very
short leash and Riley it appeared could make mistake after mistake and not see
any reprecussions. We saw how that played out. Bronco loved the guy and
wouldn't make a stand or admit he was wrong. Is that a leader, or a
stubborn man?Also, remember there was ZERO running game. It
wasn't until later in the season that Alisa broke through. On top of that a
horrible O Coordinator that would soon be fired. he carried more about keeping
his job than developing his QB. Remember the reports that they hadn't
talked for weeks! Good luck Jake!
One of a Few,Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around, but that
doesn't change anything. Where is it written that sophomore QB can't
be a leader? Max Hall seemed to do well for a soph, and Jonny Manzeil did pretty
good as a freshman. Stay and train with the guys you go to battle with every
Papa Smurf UTEHerriman, UTDSB,“I have seen a QB at
yBu given more of a chance to excel than Heaps was given. His name is RIley
Nelson. Riley had more chances and opportunities to become a good QB at yBu and
he just couldn't do it.”Actually, I think Riley had more
asked of him than he was physically able to provide, and he gave it his all. It
wasn’t enough, but he gave what was asked of him. I personally respect
and admire the man. Glad for a new qb, but I have tremendous respect for him.
And Wayne, that's why I defend him every time you take a pot shot at
him.“Heaps was mis managed. Every QB there other than Max Hall
has been mis managed since Bronco took over.”Why is it that
all of the U posters universally agree that the qb was “mismanaged?”
Is that just a little ironic, considering the recent qb trials at Utah? Yes, I
am questioning your credentials to judge in this situation.
bballjunkiePleasant Grove, UT"Heaps will dominate and yes
all cougar fans that wanted him out he will be a NFL QB! Oh and how well did our
QB do last year? Nice job cougar fan."I don't think Heaps
will dominate because he doesn't have a dominating support staff. But he
may play well enough to get a shot in the NFL."Look for Ross Apo
to be moving on soon, then the typical cougar fan can tell us all how bad he was
too. You have to love Bronco and staff! (and 80% of cougar nation)"Actually, 80% of cougar nation has watched Apo under-perform and we wonder
“why?” Cody has exceeded expectations. Skyler too. Even with a
difficult qb situation.
Here's what I remember, watching the bowl game last Dec. Lark is QB,
nothing spectacular but no mistakes and seems to be warming up to the game.
Wait there's a sub, Riley, the toughest player ever at BYU, is in the game
finally. I turned to my uncle and said there will be a turnover in a minute,
and sure enough Jensen came through. Thankfully, that's the last time
Coach thought it a good idea to play a QB with a broken back. I also remember
hearing about a locker room that made it clear they wouldn't block for
Heaps and I saw more than one game where it looked like the O line quit on him.
Obviously, Heaps wasn't a leader. But where is it written the sophomore QB
should be the leader? He's the play caller and a passer but there are
plenty more positions for leadership. For whatever reason the real team leader,
Coach, couldn't lead when it was needed and for that Doman was fired and
kids who should have had a better chance, Heaps or Lark, didn't get one.
Just to clear a few things up. Heaps had a parent who coaches refer to as a
"helicopter parent". They hovered over every decision of the football
staff, and if they didn't like something, Bronco got a phone call.
basically a pain in the butt. Heaps also didn't work out in the off-season
with the team. Once school was out he went to an elite training facility in
Southern California that was paid for by his parents. Maybe that had something
to do with the lack of cohesiveness between him and the receivers. It may also
explain some of the drop off between his Freshman and Sophomore years. Let's also consider that Jake could have red shirted and had the same
years of eligibility that he has at Kansas, without Nelson. All you have to do
is watch the 54-10 game to see that Heaps had some issues with physical contact.
Mismanaged? Maybe to some degree,but the bigger issues were with
Jake himself. I hope the fresh start at Kansas does him good and that he is able
to reach his potential.
Papa Smurf - great ones make it happen. Wannabe's make excuses, as do their
fans. Riley clearly was not a great one, but I think we got the very best of
his limited abilities. Please let us know of all the great quarterbacks who are
afraid of taking a hit. BTW - Riley was a forgotten commodity
through many, many games, until the writing on the wall was too obvious for even
the most stubborn (Mendenhall) to ignore. Heaps got all the support until
Mendenhall's job was probably on the line by keeping him in. The hype,
hope, encouragement, support, loyalty, and game-time opportunity given to an
underperforming quarterback like Heaps is unparalleled in BYU's modern
football era.Beck improved every year at BYU, despite what you think
is poor management. Heaps actually digressed from his freshman to sophomore
year, and his fear of getting his demolished his accuracy, timing, and poise.
Heaps will dominate and yes all cougar fans that wanted him out he will be a NFL
QB! Oh and how well did our QB do last year? Nice job cougar fan. Look for Ross Apo to be moving on soon, then the typical cougar fan can tell
us all how bad he was too. You have to love Bronco and staff! (and 80% of cougar
DSB,I have seen a QB at yBu given more of a chance to excel than
Heaps was given. His name is RIley Nelson. Riley had more chances and
opportunities to become a good QB at yBu and he just couldn't do it. When
the head coach is firmly entrenched in your camp, telling everyone how much
leadership and Grit you have, only to watch you fail, and fail miserably over
and over and over again, but yet keep you in the game with a bad back, a poor
arm, and no real "on the field" leadership qualities. Heaps
was mis managed. Every QB there other than Max Hall has been mis managed since
Bronco took over. Beck before Bronco got there was managed poorly, & even in
05 Bronco's first year he wasn't managed correctly. It wasn't
until the Utah game in 06 that Beck finally won a big game. Hall came in as a
transfer from AZ St, and was fine, but since then every QB since the beginning
of the 2010 season has been managed worse than an employee at Mcdonalds. Anae is
back with Bronco, so I see much of the same for years to come.
I do wish Heaps well, after all, he signed my BYU autographed football.I don't fault Heaps for not wanting to take the hits from 300 pound
linemen. I wouldn't want to take those either. Nelson probably would have
been a lot more effective if he wasn't playing injured from taking all
those hits. I do fault him for not even trying to tackle the Ole Miss DB who he
threw the pick to, or at least try to push him out of bounds. If it wasn't
for KVN heroics, this play would have cost BYU the game.I also fault
him for his lack of accuracy. I was at the Texas game when M. Jacobsen got wide
open on a deep route. Heaps saw him and threw the ball 10 yards over his head.
There was no pressure from the the D line. It wasn't like he missed him by
a few inches.I'm still surprised he went to KU. Even though
they're in the Big 12, Nevada or Fresno St. would have been a better
opportunity. It's the team, not the conference, as U will find out.
@rational"And those many opportunities to shine -- on the 60th+
ranked BYU offense. Who wouldn't prosper in that environment!"Uh....Heaps was part of that "60th ranked offense". It wasn't
that everyone else on it was bad and held him back, he was as culpable as any of
the rest of them. I like the "it's everyone elses fault he didn't
perform" claim though.LOL!
Quit hating! My goodness.
Hmmm, let's connect the dots shall we? Heaps transferred to Kansas after
the offense he ran sputtered. The offense sputtered even worse a year later
under a different quarterback. The mastermind of that offense is now selling
bball back boards.
Good quarterbacks don't get mismanaged. They perform despite the odds.Heaps left because he wouldn't beat out Hill, or Ammon Olson.
Great players, in any sport, rise to the challenge and shine, even if the rest
of the team is terrible. Sometimes they can't win a lot of games because
of the rest of the team, but great players will shine individually anyway. Saying Heaps couldn't play as well as Riley because of the coaches,
or poor offensive line, or because he wasn't as mobile as Riley, is just a
lot of excuses from people who deny the basic fact that if Heaps was great, he
would have overcome those challenges. Yeah - Heaps would have been great if
only all the defenders got out of the way to relieve the pressure. Come on,
Rock, you're telling us that a lesser quarterback can have moderate success
and win bowl games with a poor O-line, but an NFL caliber quarterback can't
at least match it? I'm not holding my breath to see either of
them playing on Sunday.
@ TatorsYou have some interesting "facts". Yes, Riley did
out perform Jake. Was it because Riley was more mobile and could turn broken
plays into something? Or was he actually better?Jake also would have
had a much better year with a decent offensive line.We will see
which one makes it in the NFL.
Jake was mismanaged. If he had played for Lavelle and Norm he would of been an
All American his sophomore year. At Kansas, with a Major Conference OL, he will
have the last laugh on bronco and riley.
Hope Jake does well at KU, but he would have been T Hill's backup had he
stayed. That's why he left.
Heaps has the leadership skills of a gnat. BYU ought to schedule Kansas just so
Van Noy can eat Heaps for lunch.The big mistake by the Y coaches?
They didn't redshirt him his first year and let him learn whatever system
Doman had concocted. The kid came in with a big head and left with the same.I still prefer Lark over Nelson, but Nelson did have a fire in him but
had a lousy O-line.
"I wish him well and will always regret how he was treated at
BYU"????I guess it's all about perspective. Seems to me it
was his position to lose, which he did all by his own little lonesome. Best
passer in BYU history??? Wow. Could have fooled me on that one. Heaps was not willing to fight for his position at BYU - end of story.I wish him well at Kansas. Hope he does some great things.
@DSBThe fact is Riley was as tough as nails, a good leader but very
limited on talent. Not a knock on the kid. He can't throw, he's
small, and possessed marginal speed. He was never afraid to take a hit. Watch
the films and judge for yourself. As a man, he will bless the lives
of a lot of people. And that wasn't just a comment on Riley. Thanks for
allowing me the chance to clarify.
Good Luck Jake! I am with Y Grad/ YDad and Duckhunter on this one.
@Rational - why would any commenters here volunteer to stand behind a poor
offensive line and risk getting hit? Who of us are nationally acclaimed
quarterbacks getting a scholarship for our football prowess? Is that what
passes for a "rational" thought from you?Guess who is
willing to stand in the pocket, even when his teammates can't protect them?
Any good quarterback, that's who, and a lot of mediocre ones as well.
Having the same offensive line didn't stop Riley Nelson from trying to make
something happen until the very end of every play, regardless of the pressure or
the size of the defender coming at him. I guess it was Doman who
made Heaps afraid of taking any kind of shot, and who forced him to make
horribly uncatchable passes even when he had time to throw. Think HARD about
How about we forget the past and wish him the best in the future. Everyone is right on the past yet no one agrees. Funny how that works and how
we are all experts and none of were there on in his shoes. Best to
Jake, KU and more importantly to us fans, BYU.
I am disappointed that there were so many critical comments about BYU. Jake had
huge opportunties in Provo. He broke many hearts of loyal fans becaukse of too
many over or under throws on 3rd downs. A swing pass to an open receiver on 3
and 5 should be a gimme but they were not. The other big problem appeared to be
in the locker room. For whatever reason the team seemed to play better with
other QB's. Not sure why and I doubt anyone will ever know.Having said all that, I wish Jake the very best. Perhaps if he could have had
a redshirt year at BYU he would have been better prepared for college football.
Huge kuddos to his wife. She seemed to add a lot of stability to his life. I
hope they have a long happy marriage.
Anything over 1 win on the season is an improvement for Kansas. I'd say
Jake is a pretty safe bet to improve that team.Regarding the Heaps
mismanagement and an earlier claim that the idea is "absurd". Riley
Nelson was a 23 year old returned missionary as a junior; Jake Heaps was an 18
year old just out of high school. Bronco Mendenhall made the comment that he
felt the talent was about even, so he was going to make his decision based on
leadership. Well, gee, I wonder who is going to be the better leader at that
point in his life? Bronco set Jake up for failure with his teammates. Bronco
should have been the "leader", not a 17 year old freshman or 18 year old
sophomore. Bronco should have made the decision to redshirt his talented
freshman. Of course, all Heaps did was make the Freshman All-American team
and pass for more yards than any other freshman in BYU history. Then his
offensive coordinator, a guy who'd had five 10-win seasons in six years,
was replaced. Doman came in and started calling option plays for a pocket
passer like Heaps? Really?
Cougars1, "I love Jake, but I too am sick of hearing how he was
"mis-managed" at BYU. People love to say this with no valid documented
circumstances to back up such an absurd claim. "You are right.
There is absolutely no evidence that Anae, the offense coordinator who helped
Heaps succeed his freshman year, is better than Doman, who lead BYU to two years
of pathetic offense. None whatsoever. Or maybe there is. Think about it.
Think HARD.I also love the comments about Heaps being afraid to of
getting hit. I mean, who is afraid of getting hit by 300 lb lineman or 240 lb
linebackers running at you at full speed, especially when you have an offensive
line that is universally touted as well below average. Certainly commenters on
here would courageously volunteer for such duty!And those many
opportunities to shine -- on the 60th+ ranked BYU offense. Who wouldn't
prosper in that environment!Good luck to Jake, and good luck to the
Cougars and their new/old offensive coordinator.
That's nice to see that Jake is doing well and has made a couple of friends
at Kansas...but it really boils down to missing out on having a real team to
back him up or a legitimate coach who can develop his potential...which Jake
does have a lot of... if he can just whet his ego and conduct himself
accordingly....something he definitely fell short of doing when he left BYU in
the manner that he did.
Jake was quite impressive at BYU during the spring.But that
didn't translate to the regular season.come to think of it
riley nelson was sort of impressive during the spring as well.I
hope Jake does well but I'm not holding my breath..
@gbo - I wonder if I'm the only one to see the irony of you calling Thomas
Jefferson petty for his comments about Heaps, then referring to Riley Nelson as
gritty with no talent. I guess it takes a petty commenter to know one. @Wayne Rout - please give us the statistics showing Heaps as the best
passer ever at BYU. I don't think he makes the top 20. A strong arm does
not a great passer make. His passes were consistently overthrown on long
routes, uncatchable bullets on short ones, and in the grass at medium range. His
terror of being hit permeated his performance.I'm with Y Grad/Y
Dad on this one. I wish Heaps the very best, but any consistently solid
performance with Kansas will be the result of him growing up, improving his
skills, and overcoming his fear of large defenders - not any proof that BYU
mishandled him. I've never seen a quarterback at BYU given more
opportunity to excel than Heaps.
Fact 1: Jake lost his job because Riley out performed him. Fact 2: Riley
would have had a much better year with a decent offensive line.Fact 3:
Jake quit his team before finishing the year... their bowl game.Fact 4:
Playing a no qb hit practice game against a reserve squad defense means almost
I, for one, think BYU should have fought harder to keep Jake Heaps here.
There's a reason he was ranked one of the very best at QB coming out of
high school. His confidence took a big, BIG hit the season he finally left but
I think coaching was responsible for a big part of that.I think
Heaps will excel at Kansas and we'll live to regret the day he walked
away.GO COUGARS!(P.S. - I think Taysom Hill is going to
be AWESOME but if Heaps had stayed, this would be his senior year and Hill could
still be learning the ropes, ready to accept the reins his junior and senior
year. 'Too much, too soon' can easily damage an athlete's
confidence and once their confidence goes, it's light out....
I live in Washington State and work with a close relative of Jake's. I know
things that are not publicly known.Jake may have been mishandled but that
is not why he left.Coach Doman is a great guy but he changed too
much too fast. The entire offense sputtered. The O-line had their problems. With
no protection and every play becoming a broken play it is little wonder that a
scrambling QB would become a starter.I wish Jake nothing but the
best. He has talent and deserves it. I want to see him in the NFL.As a BYU
Cougar I also look forward to an amazing season this year (hope I am not
disappointed).I was saddened to see Coach Doman leave BYU and coaching. He
could be great with a bit more experience. I also wish his nothing but the best
as he joins his families business.
Why are we constantly berated with these humdrum articles about a has been BYU
quarterback who transferred to a bottom dwelling big 12 school and was able to
'shred' the bad defense because he picked a favorite receiver and
threw it to him most of the game? He transferred...get over him!
Good luck, Jake. If you had stayed at BYU we would be hearing the same sniping
we heard about Riley Nelson.
I love Jake, but I too am sick of hearing how he was "mis-managed" at
BYU. People love to say this with no valid documented circumstances to back up
such an absurd claim. Jake has more than paid the price and deserves
some success in his life. This whole ordeal was very costly to him and his
family as his parents marriage did not survive this. I wish him and his family
nothing but success.
Jake didn't have a problem in the skills department....he just threw
everything five short in the dirt....and I do mean everything!
@wayneHeaps was most vertainly not the best passer ever at BYU, not
even close. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn his sophomore year.
Not to mention there were some guys at BYU like McMahon, Young, and Detmer, that
were near 70% completion percetages for their careers. I believe Young even
completed more than 70% one season.Your bitterness and over the top
hyperbole on this subject are pretty tired, get over it and get on with your
life.As for Jake I absolutely wish him the best, I hope he is hugely
successful and I think he has been extremely classy about his entire BYU
situation. I wish he had stayed and kept working on it here but he had to do
what he thought was best for him and I support that.Good luck Jake.
IF he does well, blame for his poor performance at BYU will shift from Jake
Heaps to Brandon Doman.
Count me squarly on both sides of the fence (a rather uncomfortable position).
I wish Jake absolutely and without regret the most success in the world. I hope
he does lead his team out of the wilderness and into the promised land, and that
he goes on to have a wonderful pro career.But if by being
mis-managed by the coaches while at BYU you mean that he was given every
opportunity to shine and lead, but did neither, and that somehow the coaches
were responsible for this, then I am not in camp. If his trajectory had
continued from his first year, things would have been different. But Riley
didn't steal the starting job from Jake - he squandered it.So
he appears to have learned, to have grown. Good for him! I'd hate to have
all that pressure as an 18 year old. And I'd hate to have all that talent
and not be able to use it.But he would not have been able to make
more of the struggling offense than Riley, Taysom or James did. And sorry
Wayne. Fielding punts would not have helped him either.
Not surprised that Jake Heaps performed well in a scrimmage where
"quarterbacks could not be hit." His major weakness while at BYU was a
fear of being hit. I am tired of all the comments about the coaches handling
Jake poorly while at BYU. He was given plenty of opportunity to shine, and he
failed to do so. I wish him well at Kansas but doubt he will lead his team to
more than 3-4 victories in the tough Big 12.
I wish Jake all the luck in the world at Kansas. I am one Cougar fan who thinks
he was mismanaged while at BYU.
They like his leadership. Jake is probably the best passer ever to attend
BYU. He now has a coach that will support him and help him to develop. No,
he does not have to field punts. He will be a star. I wish him well and will
always regret how he was treated at BYU. We more than paid the price for our
mistakes last year.
"I'd like to thank my publicist" looks impressive.I
wish "I'd like to thank my publicist" the best and a great career.
Jake Heaps was handled poorly at BYU by the coaches after Coach Anae left.
Thomas Jefferson wishing him ill demonstrates pettiness. As mindgames said,
Jake has been nothing but professional after his departure. I wonder what last
season might have been like had BYU had a good QB and O-line along with the
defense. Could have been a special year instead of relying on grit with no
talent.I wish Jake all the success in the world and hope he has
terrific junior and senior years. He's a class act and has earned the
opportunity for success.
Congrats to Jake. Hope he is very successful with his new team. It was hard to
see him transfer, but it seems that it was good for him. He has kept a good
attitude about his transfer and has kept the bad-mouthing out of his interviews.
I am sure there was a lot more to his transfer than was talked about, but it is
his decision and he seems to have adjusted to the changes well.Sitting out a year had to be hard, but he seemed to be successful with the
scout team. Good luck Jake and I hope your college career is a success.
"Just being efficient," said Heaps, the offensive MVP of the game.
"Don't turn the ball over and be out there for my teammates. It was a
lot of fun to be out there and enjoy the moment."Looks like
maybe he's learned some things since leaving BYU. Didn't see enough
of those things while he was here or he may still be here.