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Published: Sunday, April 14 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Over the top exaggeration on the WMD in Iraq wasn't helpful, either. But with climate change, the worst that can happen is we clean the place up for nothing.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I agree with Brad.

I put all my trust into multi-billion dollar companies like Exxon Mobile. They are merely looking out for the rest of us! They would never do anything wrong or greedy. And we all know what is best for big oil is always what is best for us.

We should also deny scientists. They are all a bunch of liars and scientists. I'm sure God wanted us to pollute and destroy his creation without any regard for anyone or anything. The EPA is a big communist conspiracy. Besides, why would we want to clean up this planet anyway??? Everyone knows that big oil is the present and future! Duh!

See, it is this type of thinking that is dooming the GOP as we know it. Brad, you don't have to campaign like this anymore. You ain't running for reelection. No longer are you beholden to gayle. You are free. Even if alllllll scientists have lied about global warming, won't the ends justiy the means? Won't this planet be better off? I see that this logic is used by the Iraqi War apologists so why not global warming people too?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . with climate change, the worst that can happen is we clean the place up for nothing."

Oh, it wouldn't be for nothing. Liberal tree-hugger plans would bankrupt the free world several times over, and be used to justify and impose a vicious, brutal tyranny indistinguishable from Hitler's, Stalin's, Mao's, or Kim's.

Yesterday's destructive leftist hippie activists are "greenies" today. Their aims and motives haven't changed. Only the subject of their disingenuous, over-the-top attempts to artificially create a "crisis" they can cynically exploit to destroy the American freedom, decency, and prosperity they hate.

Though, apparently, some peaceniks didn't get the memo.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"Oh, it wouldn't be for nothing. Liberal tree-hugger plans would bankrupt the free world several times over, and be used to justify and impose a vicious, brutal tyranny indistinguishable from Hitler's, Stalin's, Mao's, or Kim's."

You forgot bush and Cheney.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

"Liberal tree-hugger plans would bankrupt the free world several times over, and be used to justify and impose a vicious, brutal tyranny indistinguishable from Hitler's, Stalin's, Mao's, or Kim's." Ironically, the title of the argument is 'Over-the-top exaggeration on climate change is not helpful’

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Instead of cleaning up the planet Mr procuradorfiscal from Tooele would have us continue to bury our heads in the sand and give blank checks to those who are the biggest contributors to climate change. Doing nothing is an endorsement fella. Of course part of the 4.5 million is from self suffocation of rhettoric like procuradorfiscal from Tooele.

jsf
Centerville, UT

When people get to the point of not being able to afford heat and energy, because of draconian climate change policies, they will revert to burning wood and coal indoors causing millions of more deaths. Do not equate clean air and clean water with global warming. /CO2 is not a pollution. Reports are starting to surface the gw crowd are out on the fringe with the same mentality as the flat earth society.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"Liberal tree-hugger plans would bankrupt the free world several times over, and be used to justify and impose a vicious, brutal tyranny indistinguishable from Hitler's, Stalin's, Mao's, or Kim's."

That's just silly.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Of course part of the 4.5 million [deaths] is from self suffocation of rhettoric [sic] like procuradorfiscal from Tooele."

Yeah -- we're all suffocating on "rhettoric" here in Tooele County.

Nothing over-the-top about that.

conservative scientist
Lindon, UT

I love how several climate-change theory lovers posting above don't do anything to disagree with the letter writer's assertions, math, or source, they simply don't like what he has to say so they shoot the messenger - or assume that if one tends to disbelieve or question anything related to climate change "science" then he must get all his information from big oil companies. Utterly ridiculous!

If the doomsday advocates of anthropomorphic climate change would be more careful and measured in their math and predictions, then people would give them more credit and listen more.

If you believe that people dying from smoke-related illnesses is really death related to global warming, then give us the argument. I suppose than anyone recently who has died was breathing just beforehand, thus producing CO2, and thus one could make the argument that every death is related to global warming.....so don't be bashful and stop at 4.5 million - research how many deaths there are every year worldwide and give us the "full story" by reporting this as global warming deaths.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Conservative scientist, is that an oxymoron name or what?

This is what DARA actually stated.

Climate change is already contributing to the deaths of nearly 400,000 people a year and costing the world more than $1.2 trillion, wiping 1.6% annually from global GDP, according to a new study.

The impacts are being felt most keenly in developing countries, according to the research, where damage to agricultural production from extreme weather linked to climate change is contributing to deaths from malnutrition, poverty and their associated diseases.

Air pollution caused by the use of fossil fuels is also separately contributing to the deaths of at least 4.5m people a year, the report found.

Allisdair
Thornbury, Vic

Thank you "the old switcharoo" for bringing us the actual statements instead of the half guesses of some contributors.

@ JSF please enlighten us on "Reports are starting to surface the gw crowd are out on the fringe with the same mentality as the flat earth society". As the scientific journals certianly have not picked up on this information.

I do agree over the top statements don't help as they only scare people and stops them thinking about the solutions. However we should not hide from the truth like a report out today that the Antarctic summer ice melt is now occurring 10 times faster than it did 600 years ago etc

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@conservative scientist
Why exactly do I have to argue with the letter writer? The letter writer's argument that the guy was over-the-top is accurate. Doesn't change the fact that global warming is a serious issue or involve a large anthropogenic component. I oppose factually incorrect statements regardless of what the source of the statement thinks about the issue.

jsf
Centerville, UT

he Fundamentals of Physical Geography (2nd Edition) CHAPTER 7: Introduction to the Atmosphere Earth's Climatic History Reconstructing Past Climates
Climatologists have used various techniques and evidence to reconstruct a history of the Earth's past climate. From this data, they have found that during most of the Earth's history global temperatures were probably 8 to 15 degrees Celsius warmer than today.
The most recent glacial retreat is still going on.
From 3000 to 2000 BC a cooling trend occurred. This cooling caused large drops in sea level and the emergence of many islands (Bahamas) and coastal areas that are still above sea level today.
Colder temperatures from 1500 - 750 BC caused renewed ice growth in continental glaciers and alpine glaciers
150 BC - 300 AD a cooling began that lasted until about 900 AD. The cooling caused the Nile River and the Black Sea to freeze.
The period 900 - 1200 AD represents the warmest climate since the Climatic Optimum. The Vikings established settlements on Greenland and Iceland. The snow line in the Rocky Mountains was about 370 meters above current levels. A period of cool and more extreme weather followed

scientific journals are. Where are you hiding from history.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Antarctic summer ice melt is now occurring 10 times faster than it did 600 years ago etc, but how does it relate to 200 years ago ore 14,000 years ago?

"We found that the coolest conditions on the Antarctic peninsula and the lowest amount of summer melt occurred around 600 years ago," The report also covers 400 years prior. The period at 600 was the coolest out of 1,000 years. Inferring that current is bad but ignoring the prior 400 years,(because it maybe doesn't reflect the dire conditions. Also how does the last 600 years compare? Has it been melting at 5 times the 600 year point. This is shoddy journalism and reporting to promote gw fringes.

jsf
Centerville, UT

OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO₂ put there by humanity since 1750. And yet, as James Hansen, the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, observes, “the five-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade.”
Temperatures fluctuate over short periods, but this lack of new warming is a surprise. Ed Hawkins, of the University of Reading, in Britain, points out that surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range of projections derived from 20 climate models. If they remain flat, they will fall outside the models’ range within a few years.

Remember it was the flat earthers that had concensus.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

"Over-the-top exaggeration on climate change is not helpful"

Actually it is helpful. It helps identify the craziness of the whole tree-hugger movement.

Dave D
Pocatello, ID

As climate change interacts with delicate ecosystems, good and bad things happen. We simply cannot ignore the bad. Regardless of the number of deaths climate change is responsible per year (the WHO estimates 150,000 annually), can we agree that one is too many? Can we also agree with the letter writer that we should "look for ways to get clean water and electricity to those having to burn wood for cooking and heating"? Climate change is one of many factors in the world that disproportionately affects the most vulnerable of the earth's population. Regardless of why the earth's poor experience what they do, we each have a responsibility to care for them.

DougS
Oakley, UT

If we did not have global warming, we would still be in an Ice Age..
Please tell me how a 0.8 degree warming in a decade relates to "man made" climate change..
While you are at it, please explain "pollution" - how much is man made, and how much is caused in nature.

As to costs.. There is big money in alternate energy development, there are many jobs lost by shutting down existing energy production, and, for the most part, little change accomplished.

Yes, we can all take small measures to protect the environment, but, the cost for major change is too great.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I am still waiting for somebody to tell me how it is that the NOAA said that the models have a 95% confidence that it was impossible for there to be more than 10 years of no warming, yet we are now pushing 16 years with no warming. The models are incorrect, according to standards set by the NOAA. So, why are we still taking the results of those models and accepting them as truth?

The truth is that the sun is driving the climate change. See "The sun shines some light on global warming orthodoxy" in the National Post

Also see "Geophysical, archaeological, and historical evidence support a solar-output model for climate change" from the National Acedemy of Sciences for a longer term study of solar output in global climate.

To "The Real Maverick" would you rather trust multi-Trillion dollar governments that are looking for new things to tax as an honorable source of information? Remember, it is the same government that is now proposing taxing rain in some parts of the country.

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