"wastintime" So... Any group funded by the Koch brothers is suspect in
your view.How about NOVA and PBS? or cancer research ($750
Million)?Some other suspect organizations they fund are...Lincoln CenterSloan Kettering clinicNew York Presbyterian
HospitalAmerican Museum of Natural HistoryAmerican Ballet TheaterNew York City BalletMITSmithsonian InstitutionJohns Hopkins
School of MedicineUniversity of Texas Cancer CenterHouse Ear
Institue (in LA)Before you blindly criticise somebody else... maybe
you should consider how much good you are doing.
WastintimeLos Angeles, CAsays, "Any group funded by the Koch
brothers is suspect in my view".This knee jerk regurgitating
talking-points like "we don't like the Koch brothers"... just bugs
me.Do you suspect PBS? They fund PBS more than they fund the tea
party (they donated $7 Million to fund the PBS show "Nova").Are you suspcicious of cancer research? Because they fund cancer research
too.They also fund Lincoln Center (are you suspicious of the Lincoln
Center)?Are you suspicious of Sloan Kettering clinic ($30
Million)Johns Hopkins Universisty of Medicine ($20 Million)New York
Presbyterian Hospital? ($15 Million)New York City Ballet?They
donated $100 million for NYC theater renovation.$20 Million to the
American Museaum of Natural History$35 Million to Smithsonian
InstitutionSo... do you really suspect anything the Koch brothers
@mark "Taxes will have to go up on all of us."Taxes will
have to go up, unless we reform entitlements or expand our economy. We should
get control of our spending before we even consider raising taxes. Why? Because
when we tax something, we tend to get less of it. High taxes on cigarettes are
meant to discourage smoking. High taxes on fuel are meant to decrease emissions.
Why would we want to place higher taxes on economic activity?"By
the way, raising taxes will not hamper growth."A recent study
may have come to this conclusion, but almost all other studies in the past 30
years have reached the opposite conclusion. If you want to know where the
outlier went wrong, read "CRS Study on Tax Rates and Growth Still Flunks the
Test", by Stephen J. Entin.
Hey Ultra Bob, You’re not alone. Abraham Lincoln also realized that the
same terms can have different meaning to different folks when he wrote (in
1864):“We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word
we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each
man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with
others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men,
and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different,
but incompatible things, called by the same name – liberty. And it
follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two
different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”
re: Counter Intelligence 4/16 9:45aWhat then would you call the
pot-stirring that Limbaugh, Professor Beck, and fixed noise do?
I don't call myself a Tea Party member, but I do agree with there
conservative values. However, they have been hijacked the past few years by
those who call themselves leaders. Nate is correct, there is alot of
hater's commenting on here. Those with hate and selfishness will be the
downfall of the American Empire, and all empires collapse. This country will be
picked up the Tea Party, and those like myself. By the way, the majority of
those serving in the military and veterans identity themselves with the Tea
Party! Not with the majority of you making comments on here!
"I don't like your tax increases, because I see growth as our best way
out of debt, and higher taxes kill growth."Well nate,
that's what I figured. You aren't serious about dealing with the debt.
Taxes will have to go up on all of us. We will not be able to grow our way out
of this debt. By the way, raising taxes will not hamper growth. It
is a lie of the right to say that it will.
@Ernest T. BassWhat would you call Nancy Pelosi and the CBC walking
through a T-party rally hoping to incite an incident, so that they could play
victim. When the incident didnt happen, they made one up anyhow - and yet
despite a $100,00 reward - no evidence of the incident was ever found.That is HATEThat, and the posts here, indicate that the left is
too busy passive/aggressively manufacturing feigned drama to recognize its own
hate (Incidently: I have no devotion to conservative policies as
much as I am repelled by such left-wing hate)
The very attributes that made the Tea Party famous and followed are the same
ones responsible for the destruction of the GOP. As Aladin said to Jafar
"you wanted it, and everything that goes with it". In short, losing.
@markI gave Reagan and GHW Bush the benefit of the doubt, because of
the Congress they were dealing with. However, under George W, I left the
Republican party, and never looked back. They had the White House and both
houses of Congress, and spent like drunks. My level of concern only deepened
under Obama. When he took office, we were $10 trillion in debt, and now
we're pushing $17 trillion.I don't like your tax
increases, because I see growth as our best way out of debt, and higher taxes
kill growth. Even the mild payroll tax increases we had in January have put a
damper on the recovery. Getting control over our spending is more likely to
produce the growth we need. Repealing onerous mandates like those in Obamacare
would also help.Now that we're leaving Iraq and Afghanistan,
it'll be interesting to see who Obama blames for his deficits. He's
running out of scapegoats. After four years, he owns the economy. The CBO says
it's entitlements and interest payments that keep us from balancing.
"We see excessive debt as a threat to those freedoms."Outstanding, Nate. So you were as outraged as I was when President Reagan, and
President Bush, and especially President W. Bush were running up this massive
national debt? Of did it only start to concern you when President Obama took
office? Well, better late then never. I guess. So anyway, then you
recognize the need to raise taxes, getting rid of all the fiscally devastating
tax cuts George W. Bush put in place? Outstanding. Because obviously we are not
going to deal with the debt without raising taxes. And we need to be willing to
have those taxes put on us, and not wait on our children to have to pay for what
we spent. Also, I assume you recognize the importance of cutting the
bloated defense budget to help deal with the debt. Well, welcome
@Ernest T. Bass "...reality..."Like I said, read through the
comments. They don't have much to do with reality -- they're mostly
vitriol. The fact that you agree with them doesn't make it any less so.The funny thing is, people on the left see themselves as the tolerant,
enlightened ones. I don't often see that side of them. (There are
exceptions, and I appreciate that.)With regard to the tea party, the
reality is that it consists mostly of decent citizens who are concerned about
America's future. We want our children and grandchildren to enjoy the same
freedoms we do. We see excessive debt as a threat to those freedoms. We believe
that the solution is for government to stay within its constitutional bounds.Various individuals have tried to get in front of this parade, and I can
see why you want to make it all about them. But this movement will be around
long after they're gone. We're not going away. There will always be
people who want to preserve liberty for posterity.
Thank you everyone for all the 'likes'.
Yep the gold bubble has popped. Is there anyone that didn't see that gold
prices were a bubble? I mean besides Glenn Beck and his followers.
@Nate: Don't confuse reality with "hate". Just because reality
paints a different picture doesn't mean there is any hate.
1 conservative...you better buy more and bet the farm. Obama can't bring
the economy back to Bush levels. The gold promotors will tell you gold will go
Sandy Thackeray writes these very same;"Tea-Party, Tea-Party,
Rah, Rah, Rah!" letters to the Deseeret News about every other
month.Why they keep publishing them, is beyond me.
"wastintime" Any group funded by George Soros is suspect in my view."one vote" gold prices are up 2.5x from the time Barack Obama
Consistency is one thing. But being consistently wrong is no feather in
The tea party hyped gold is sinking fast.
Read through the comments.Who are the real haters here?Not the tea
They will soon start throwing that gold they were promoting by trying to ruin
the economy overboard as the bubble burst.
@Mountanman 7:42 a.m. April 14, 2013In a way you're right.
America HAS moved away from the principles that made her great and has replaced
those values with stateism, fascism and a new aristocracy of the elite that was
located in the White House during the administration of its just-previous
occupant (GWBush), and is now perpetuated through the policies and programs of
the far right extreme.
Any group funded by the Koch brothers is suspect in my view.
I had a hard time keeping a straight face while reading this letter. The tea
party is a parody of what true political reform should represent. Sadly, many
Utahns fall for the tea party façade of conservative idealism that would
set this country back at least 50 years and destroy what remains of a real
progressive political transformation that looks to the future and not the past.
to MountanmanWhich administration was referred to as the Imperial
Presidency? Oh, that's right it was the previous one.re: Tyler
DAgreed. As a Libertarian, I could deal w/ the tea party when it was
exclusively message #1. It lost all credibility when it was hijacked by
Professor Beck, Alaska's favorite 1/2 term Gov, & their special brand
Sorry Sandy Thackeray but this country has only flourished when it
'progressed' through the issues of the day. Even the Tea Party moniker
is a distortion of American history since the Boston Tea Party was all about
giving a corporation special tax breaks, something the current crop of Tea
Partiers are in opposition of. In fact, it is bankrolled not by the grassroots
but corporations that have conned it into doing their bidding.
The GOP "losing power and social relevance", which a contributor
references has more to do with the fact that the Republicans are little, if any,
better when empowered (when they controlled both houses and the Presidency) than
the Democrats.They support the same big wars (which they initially
avoid referring to as wars) as the Democrats, practice massive deficit spending,
and powerful bureaucracies that harrass the people, and do nothing for the
"general welfare". They feather their nests as spineless career
politicians, with most of them apparently quickly becoming millionaires in net
"worth" and in practice despising the relatively poor on whose incomes
they prey. They partake of the same premium health care plan, retirement plan,
etc while secretly coveting and spending the surplus Social Security
contributions of the people. Having eaten so many of those particular golden
eggs they now seemingly plan on consuming the hen by course.
Respecting the Tea Party for its (in)action in Congress is akin to respecting a
four-year-old for throwing a temper tantrum in a department store. They decry
that government is the problem and prove that to be true every time they are
elected. This "party" is nothing more than the hard
right's visceral reaction to Obama's election; they'll be gone in
a few years.
For me the most revealing thing about the Tea Party is their stand against
government regulations, other wise known as laws to protect and promote the
general welfare of the people. It is the law that makes us free.
The only way I can reconcile the views of the Tea Party is to
believe they have different meanings to words like people, freedom, government,
and such. To the Tea Party people are only those who profit from
the labor of others. Because of their ferocity and power they think they
don’t need the protection of government and don’t want that
protection put upon those less deserving human beings, of another name. Freedom seems to be only that which matches their concept of morality,
and is applied differently to their people from that which is applied to others.
They seem to feel that government should protect their people and
their customers from foreign enemies but should not protect the ordinary people
from internal enemies.If the Tea Party is able to control our
government we are allowing the destruction of America and it’s people.
Depends what you want out of a political movement Sandra. I too was an early
supporter, but unfortunately the morphed into something pretty distasteful.
Here’s how I saw it:1. Tea Party starts as outrage over
bailouts and its early message was one of fiscal responsibility.2.
Glenn Beck jumps on board and those who have never spent any time in
“crazytown” begin to get nervous.3. Small government
conservatives get on the bandwagon and they become the movement (and in 2010,
the party) of “no.”4. Movement gets co-opted by social
and religious conservatives, and that combined with #3 pushes the message of #1
totally aside causing them to lose all credibility with Independents and
Pragmatists (who were on board with message #1).
Great article! Whether you like the "TEA Party" or not, America has
moved away from the principles that made her great and have replaced those
values with stateism, socialism and a new aristocracy of the elite located in
the White House.
The Republicans lost the election big time, The main reason for that was their
extreme right wing and the obstructionist Tea Party members of congress. Keeping
your word is good, but not if what you promise to do is wrong, wrong, wrong.
The Tea Party is a joke. It is opposed to anything Obama, doesn't like
spending money on people and programs it doesn't like, but LOVES receiving
all the benefits its members receive from the government. It is composed
primarily of old, white men angry with the worldAdditionally, the
Tea Party has moved away from a focus on economic issues and now embraces the
fundamentally conservative social issues that is driving the Republican Party
further to the extreme Right. It is not interested in making America better.
It is only interested in re-branding the policies of the old John Birch Society
in a nativist isolationism hostile to a changing world.
"I identify and support their stands of protecting our freedoms and avoid
trusting the government to make decisions for us, smaller government, the family
unit and the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman."I
see you are also against proper grammar and punctuation.
If belligerent irrationality, willful ignorance, mendacity, bigotry,
fear-mongering and short-sighted greed are principles that appeal to you, then
sure, the Tea Party is for you.Fortunately, an expanding majority of
voters recognize the Tea Party for the hollow fraud that it is.When
Republican Governor Bobby Jindal warned earlier this year that, "We've
got to stop being the stupid party," he was directing that admonishment
squarely at the Tea Party faction of the GOP.We need a thoughtful,
reality-based conservative perspective in our national politics. The Tea Party
isn't it. Rather, it is the primary (excuse the pun) reason the GOP is
losing political power and social relevance.The Tea Party is the
reason why the GOP of today would be unrecognizable and a profound embarrassment
to GOP leaders of just 20 years ago.
The tea party is still bringing the crazy. I do admire consistency.