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Published: Wednesday, April 10 2013 11:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Yes!

Finally - some "Common Sense".

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Any "background check" that results in a permanent record of the buyer or seller is the golden ring that the anti gun extremists have been grabbing at for decades. That will provide the foundation needed for their ultimate confiscation goal.

If it is a process to merely verify that a buyer is NOT on a list of prohibited persons, and no record is kept, that would be acceptable. But, NOTHING that registers a single gun or gun owner.

The devil is in the details, and until we see exact language, we cannot be sure how bad (or innocuous) this will be.

Note especially the significant difference between "selling" or "transferring" requiring a check.

Remember, the whole thing is nearly worthless in fighting crime since (a) the feds don't bother to prosecute criminals who illegally attempt to buy guns; and (b) 80% of all criminals get their guns from illegal means (mainly theft) or have family or friends who can pass a check buy them for them, which will continue.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@DN Subscriber

I have a question for you. The feds don't bother to prosecute teenagers who illegally attempt to buy alcohol. 80% of all teenagers get their liquor from illegal means (mainly theft) or have family or friends who are overage buy it for them. Does that mean we should stop ID'ing law-abiding adults who want to buy alcohol?

Think carefully about your answer - it's the same argument you're making about guns.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT
Any "background check" that results in a permanent record of the buyer or seller is the golden ring that the anti gun extremists have been grabbing at for decades. That will provide the foundation needed for their ultimate confiscation goal.

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Too late for that.
Your little buddy GW Bush trampled over that right a long LONG time ago with his so-called "Patriot Act".

This is just keeping guns out of the hands of children, criminals, and the Mentally insane.
Why do you keep supporting them?

I can only figure that those who are already paranoid, are paranoid that paranoia might be enough of a "mental illness" to keep them from gun ownership.

IMHO -- Anti-Government, treasonous threats, letters to secede, insurrection and walking into a JCPenny's with an AR-15 might should also make that list of "Criminal" or "mental illnesses".

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

Let's get our Senate and House to vote on the gun control legislation. Don't muddy the issue with other related or non-related matters, just a straight up vote on the proposed legislation as is finally prepared.

Too often, we have measures that either pass or are defeated because of amendments that attach non-related issues. Let's have a straight up or down vote on the proposed legislation regarding background checks as soon as it is possible.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Re: Brave Sir Robin

Think about this. As easy as it is for minors to get alcohol from adult sources and or illegal means, should tell you why these new gun regulations will do nothing to stop the wrong people from getting guns. The only gun regulation that could work to stop gun violence in America is to make guns illegal and take them away from all private owners. Good luck with that one. It was tried with alcohol back in the '20s and all it did was create a big business for criminal gangs. With all the guns in America now it is too late to try to become Great Britain. Even the strongest limitations on new guns would not do anything to circumvent the crime committed by the current 300 million guns now in private hands. This whole exercise by the President and Congress is nothing more than political symbolism that will change nothing.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

"DN subscriber" I agree with you 110% good comment!

Yesterday it was revealed that the EPA supplied environmental eco-nuts with the names and addresses of farmers and ranchers (you can google the whole story). So, no, I DON'T trust the government with much of anything regarding my personal history.

IF (and its a big if)the Senate does pass background checks, its likely to fail in the House. Those folks get elected every 2 yrs. so they have a lot more to lose than some of the lifetime Senators.
Also, whatever democrat Senators vote for background checks will have an uphill battle getting re-elected in 2014 which might possibly mean the Repubs. take back a majority of the Senate.

Criminals don't do background checks, therefore the legislation is useless!

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

The only people who should be worried about extended background checks and background checks at gun shows are people who shouldn't be buying guns anyways. In my mind, if you really are a law abiding citizen, you support this cause. You would want gun shows to require background checks to make sure they are sold to somebody who can and should own a gun. This will not solve everything, but I think it is a step in the right direction. I have nothing to hide, thus I am all for it. I don't think the government is secretly going to use the info to come and steal our guns. That is ludacris.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@1conservative
"Those folks get elected every 2 yrs. so they have a lot more to lose than some of the lifetime Senators."

Therefore you think they should vote against something that 80+% of the public supports...

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

LDS? Lib,
sorry, it was your little buddy nancy pelosi and all her dem friends who voted for the PATRIOT act, and then RENEWED it when they had control of the house. your standard, lame, "it's bush's fault" doesn't work here.

and if you think gun laws will prevent criminals from getting guns - HAHAHAHAHAHA, oh please stop! my sides ache!

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Re: alt134

I'll bet the majority of that 80% does not know the details of the background checks. As they say, "The Devil is in the Details." And, if you are making the case that public opinion should prevail, then Obamacare should never have passed, as it was and always has been unpopular with the majority

And Brahamabull. The government using information against us. Nah, that could never happen.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To alt134:

Please give a reliable source to your inflated statistics (with an emphasis on the word reliable). From statistics that I've heard about, you are simply pulling a number out of thin air to support a weak argument.

You are extremely naive if you believe politicians don't care about their political careers. When is the last time you heard of one who didn't try to make a career out of it after getting elected?
And you're just as naive if you don't realize the clout of the NRA. Their support, or lack of support, has influenced the results of many elections. Almost all politicians, even the bad ones, realize that. That's the reason there are many moderate democrats holding back their support of this legislation right now.

What conservatives are most worried about concerning this legislation (even though on the surface it seems to be common sense), is that this action will be just the first step to further and much more radical gun control. Many advocates are just trying to get the door open for just that purpose. That truly scares a lot of us who value our personal freedoms.

TeaPublican
Houston, TX

Look folks, let’s just talk truth here, if our legislators agree to any type of background check it will be a disaster for all of America! The UN will then have all gun owners on record and it will just be a matter of time before they will confiscate our weapons. These RINOs that support background checks better get their resume updated because we ARE going to PRIMARY them right out office. Any republicans that don’t have the whatchamacallits between their legs to stand with Sen Cruz, Sen. Paul and Sen. McConnell and filibuster this so called compromise are an embarrassment to the Republican Party and should be recalled and at the very least voted right out of office come the next primary election. Our Republican controlled House will blast apart this Toomey-Manchin Compromise as an unconstitutional attack on the RIGHTS of Americans. Compromise! What’s that! Compromise? Don’t talk about—compromise? You kidding me? Compromise? Not going to happen folks. We TeaPublicans will PRIMARY any Republican right out of office if they even mention the word “compromise”. And they know we will!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

It's about time. At last, a madman's ability to buy a gun will be measurably reduced. Brace yourself for the onslaught of conservatives who frankly couldn't care less about those dead children in Newtown.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

m.g. scott

I have yet to see an example of the government conspiring against a citizen directly. I pay taxes, own guns legally, and don't get involved in crime. What could they possibly do to me? It is a serious question, as I don't think they are secretly using gun purchase info to track down owners and take guns. I just don't think that is feasable.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" you are wrong if you think that this will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. A recent poll of Police officers and Retired Police officers found that the police do not believe that any of the current gun legislation will do anything to get guns out of the hands of criminals or mentally ill people.

In fact, the police say that if the current gun legislation measures were to be implemented that the violent crime would increase.

Is that what you and your ilk want, more people needlessly getting killed or injured just so that you can claim to be doing something?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Tators
"Please give a reliable source to your inflated statistics (with an emphasis on the word reliable). From statistics that I've heard about, you are simply pulling a number out of thin air to support a weak argument."

What does it matter? I actually underestimated support by saying 80% because I knew you wouldn't believe any polls I cite anyway. Support for background check expansion is:

CNN/ORC International poll: 86% support
CBS News/New York Times poll: 92% support
Quinnipiac University poll: 91% support

"You are extremely naive if you believe politicians don't care about their political careers."

Oh, I think they care. That's why I think it'll be hard for them to oppose the majority of Americans the way you think they should. The only ones who might have reason to worry are Republicans in gerrymandered districts that are worrying about primary challenges since the general isn't a concern.

@TeaPublican
"The UN will then have all gun owners on record and it will just be a matter of time before they will confiscate our weapons. "

That's irrational.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

I do know that gun enthusiasts get a bad rap, but it is a bad rap due to the stupidity of a select few of them. example: after the Newtown shootings, a man walks into a jcpenney with an assault rifle on his back. Anybody who supports such rude and tactless behavior I would disassociate myself with. It is flat out ignorant to do that. I understand wanting gun rights, but after people lost their children at the hand of a madman with an assault rifle that is just heartless. If somebody's child was killed at the hand of a drunk driver, do you think it would be reasonable to go buy a whiskey necklace, or a jack daniels shirt and parade it around for everybody to see, including somebody who lost their child? Should anybody be so ignorant to the loss of life that they are more worried about losing their alcohol rights then concerned with the family of the deceased? It is sickening to me that a select few can act so ignorantly. If it was your child, I am sure you would think differently. BTW I am an avid gun user and owner.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@TeaPublican
"The UN will then have all gun owners on record and it will just be a matter of time before they will confiscate our weapons. "

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And you wonder why people ignore those of you waving flags and wearing tin-foiled-hats.

let me guess,
Obama's birth certificate is fake,
He is a secret Communist and part of the Muslim Brotherhood,
secret FEMA camps in Colorado,
[gun registration a secret UN list for confisgating your guns - check]
Bigfoot, Nessie, Elivs and Osama Bin Laden are all secretly alive and working at WalMart,
contrails from airplanes are releasing mind altering chemical agents.
The moon landings were faked,
and flouride in the water is Government mind control.

Why can't the John Birch Society just come right out as say, John Birch Society?

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Re: brahamabull

Do I really need to bring up the abuses of power by the Nixon Administration? FBI, CIA, ect? Yes it can happen. And this from a Republican. Remember how many abuses of power the Anti-Bush crowd claimed what with the Patriot Act and all? Your faith in honest government is refreshing, but in this day and age, perhaps a little naive.

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