One old man:It seems Obama is fear mongering, not the NRA. There
are bigger fish for him to fry.
While I do have concerns with the way reeds bill is currently written and think
that there needs to be the same privacy protections in place as there is with
the current back ground checks before passing I think the level of paranoia on
this thread goes way beyond healthy reason.
When you think of a national registry and have a perspective of the holocaust,
it didn't start with getting people out of the ghettos and putting them on
a train. It started with the despot and his nationalistic people that got laws
that required certain individuals to register and put an innocent star on their
arm, etc. It was benign, at first. We just want to recognize them as an
important part of the community as bankers, jewelers, business people and a
historic people. There was no malice at first. It was just a national registry
for certain people.Dachau and those places were low key areas.
Designing people took over and fear became a reality but after it was too
late.People soon lost their individual freedoms. One step at a time
is all it took for certain individuals. Powerful people took hold of a whole
country and made laws that didn't have an order but were arbitrary and
capricious and isolated one type of people.Having lived in countries
where the Presidents declared martial law and weapons were banned, people buried
or hid them. They didn't have registry for good people who registered
Does anyone actually believe these new laws will do any good? That criminals
will now suddenly all fall in line and obey these laws? "Yes, but this time
we really mean it with THESE laws, right"?
No reasonable person would think that government would do anything like using
backround checks for a gun registry would they? Wake up people the left wants to
know exactly where all (non-criminals) guns are at every moment, as there is no
way of knowing where criminals guns are because they don't bother to go
through normal channels anyway. All of this gungrab stuff is just a smoke screen
to further the agenda of already out of constrol left, the founding fathers knew
in their wisdom that once you disarm the people a tyrranical government (see
Obama)would easily be able to hold on to power!!!
"obama has only been in office since 2008"Cant argue there.
Can you tell me what legislation that he has pushed to "confiscate your
We are currently seeing another hysterical response from the Left. I watched 60
Minutes earlier tonight... What theater! Whether parents or actors, I wonder
who paid those people. Bloomberg maybe? Several of the women had enough make-up
on to sink a boat. It was obviously well rehearsed and was designed, of course,
to manipulate people emotionally - the tactic of every good propagandist. The
ignorance expressed about firearms would have been entertaining if it
wasn't so pathetic. The media hype about Newtown is such an obviously
orchestrated attempt to destroy the safeguards of the Bill of Rights. None of
the measures proposed by the anti- second amendment folks would have stopped the
slaughter of 20 children and 6 adults. Unfortunately, the pseudo-compassionate
among the American populace will probably fall for it.
The only ones debating guns are the corrupt leaders.
@jayhawker "That means only an about 1% where denied""It does fit in with the governments agenda to restrict the 99% because of
the one perecent"So only 1% where denied the ability to by a
gun because of background checks but it is the governments way of. Restricting
the other 99%? How does that make sense?
Republican's once again setting themselves up on the wrong side of an
issue. They lost the 2012 election because of the women and minority vote. Now
they want to alinate the white middle class voter who wants to see some common
sense legislation. No matter what you think about the effectiveness of
background checks the American public wants it done. If Rebpublicans block this
they'll lose a lot of those suburban white collar voters in 2014. It used
to be Republicans did not know how to lead when they got in power, now they
don't even know how to re-gain it.
We do not need to wait for Obama.Obama's team is pressuring
states like Colorado to pass more onerous gun control laws.It has
happened during katrina, making impossible for people to protect their own
property. Billionaires like Bloomberg and Soros, are spending
millions on getting gun laws passed at the state and local level.Leftest billionaires who believe they knew was is best for everyone else.Guns are already being taken away NOW from citizens for very terrible
reasons.School Children are being indoctrinated against guns.Universal background checks will make it illegal to inherit gun, and
make you a felon if you can not prove ownership.This is all about
disarming the citizens.This is all about control.Any
reasonable person can see that and all that is happening, you must be living in
denial to not.
Ir's the old left wing "feel good" thing surfacing it's head
again. Gun registration does no good, it only makes the left feel good.
Criminals are not involved with gun registrtation.I wish congress
would get on with the really important jobs they have to do and let justice do
it's job with criminals. Our justice system is broken.
Background checks pivotal?Where Obama's background check? How
about Nancy, Harry, etc?
Back to History Class. Obama took office in 1/20/09. JB's point is that
other legislation has not resulted in gun confiscation, and isn't proposed
this time, either.
joe blown,obama has only been in office since 2008
Why are you worried about gun registration? You don't think the government
already knows about your gun? If you're going to be paranoid, go all in --
I'm sure the Feds already know your exact bullet count as well.
Lets see. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System went into use
in 1998.What is taking the Government so long to start confiscating
our guns?Lets get moving here folks. We have conspiracy
theory's to validate.
@ old man You my friend are obssessed with the NRA. I refer you back to april 4
in the article ACLU concerned with Harry Reids gun legislation. Both are
darlings of the left. One quote of the ACLU from that article "The second
concern is this could be the first step toward making a national gun registry,
which the ACLU would oppose for privacy reasons". That is from the ACLU not
the NRA.From Sen. Lees editorial (which if I recall you bad mouthed)
"The only way to make a universal background-check system come close to
working is to create a national database capturing ownership information of
every single gun in the country. To track all the gun sales, you first
have to track all the guns. Otherwise it won't work.And this is the
crux of the problem. The federal government has no right to surveil
innocent citizens exercising their constitutional rights". Now again why
would a corrupt government want a gun registry?
There are few more nonsensical, paranoid, and fear-mongering comments than the
BIG LIE: "Universal background checks" is code for "universal gun
REGISTRATION" which is the real goal of the gun ban crowd. False! False! False!People who spout that have simply been
deluded by the NRA fear mongering propaganda.
"Justice Department figures show that from 1994 when the system began
through 2010, 118 million would-be gun buyers were checked and 2.1 million were
denied firearms". That means that only an about 1% were denied, for whatever
reason, the right to purchase a firearm. I wonder what dollar cost this program
is to the tax payers, and if throwing more money at it will gleam an benefit?
Someones going to say "If one life is saved it will be worth it". I say
that's pure speculation and meaningless, but it does fit perfectly in with
the governments agenda of restricting 99% of the people because of the other 1%.
"Universal background checks" is code for "universal gun
REGISTRATION" which is the real goal of the gun ban crowd. They
need to have a list of all guns and gun owners before they can embark on their
ultimate goal of gun confiscation. For those who might deny that and dismiss it
as "crazy talk" remember Sen. Feinstein's 1995 statement "If I
could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright
ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all
in, I would have done it."Criminals simply do not obey laws, and
will steal guns or use fake ID or get straw purchasers to buy guns for them, (as
they do now!) so background checks are worthless to stop crime.For
criminals stupid enough to be caught by a background check, the failure to
prosecute any but a tiny handful prove that the goal is not disarming criminals
and prosecuting them, but to disarm law abiding citizens.I am
counting on our two Senators to stand strong and oppose every version of
"universal gun registration!"
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.---That's why we need
background checks on people.
What they want is Gun Registry. That way the next time a trajedy occurs they are
ready for "with the help of a confused dumbed down public" Confiscation.
"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to
enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)