Re: Irony Guy & LDS LiberalIt's easy enough to do an
internet search on the term "well-regulated" to see that the meaning of
the phrase in the time period meant "in proper working order."So here you go: In order for the militia to be in proper working order, you
know in case it needs to be called on for the security of the State, the rights
of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.Bonus
definition: "infringed" - encroach on somebody's rights or
property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to
somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way.Please note the
inclusion of "especially in a minor or gradual way" in the definition of
Re LDS liberalI don't know such people.
Anti-Obama --- please feel free to exercise your right to that if you wish.
Just don't harm anyone else in the process.
Mr. Todd,Where did you read that God said you or I have a right to
carry a concealed weapon? Can I get a copy of that revelation? What other
"rights" has God bestowed that only a select few have been chosen to
@cjbBountiful, UTUnfortunately we have to share this earth with
people whose I.Q. tells them "shall not be infringed" somehow means
weapons of any sort be allowed to children, criminals and the violently
insane.It's called Common Sense, and the Founding Father's
expected us to use some.
What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed" is hard to understand? What does "bear" mean? I, for
one, am much more comfortable when my fellow-citizens carry their arms
"concealed" than when they carry unconcealed. Naming the bill
"constitutional carry" makes great sense to me. Utah demonstrated our
dedication to the constitution and to the Bill of Rights by the passage of this
bill. Then our governor, who had expressed his commitment to the defense of the
Constitution as an oath, violated his oath by vetoing the bill. Sad!
Unfortunately we have to share this earth with people whose I.Q. tells them that
gun free zones and changing the cosmetics of 'assault' guns are
effective community defenses against gun violence.
Where in the Constitution say people have a right to carry a concealed weapon?
I've read the 2nd Amendment several times and don't see those words in
the text. Nor do I see any reference to being able to carry a concealed weapon
with little to no experience in properly handling.Perhaps the letter
writer believes that a person should be able to carry a concealed weapon onto an
airplane, into a courtroom, a school or hospital. Maybe the letter writer
believes that a spectator should be able to carry a concealed weapon into a a
sporting event, have a few beers, and know that he is protected if he gets into
an altercation with another spectator who may have had one to many. It appears that someone certainly used their "right" to carry a
concealed weapon up to the front door of a state official in Colorado while
another individual carried a concealed weapon into the house of a county
district attorney in Texas. Or were these folk just protecting themselves from
a tyrannical government through 2nd Amendment remedies?What with
concealed guns and stand-your-ground laws, there are innumerable opportunities
to exert one's "rights".
Don't you love it when the "more guns in more hands" crowd is
against anything designed to devalue responsible gun ownership and make
possessing a gun available to just about anyone who want to have one? The NRA
leadership, in a obvious example of convoluted thinking, wants to keep guns out
of the hands of the mentally-ill while working to make access to guns easier for
the mentally ill by eviserating background checks legislation. The
NRA leadership is even opposed to anti-trafficing legislation because it might
"infringed" on the rights of people buying guns from selling them to the
"bad guys". It is important to remember when they pay lip service to
gun-owner responsibility while advocating gun-owner irresponsibility with its
primary purpose of being the primary advocate for the gun industry. More guns
means more profits and safe, responsible gun laws would limit profits since
so-called "bad guys" would be unable to purchase a gun.One
might consider their primary argument that having a gun is necessary to defend
against a tyrannical government. However, a "tyrannical government" to
them is just a government they don't like.
The number one and perhaps only reason the right to keep and bear arms was to
protect the citizens from its government. It has nothing to do with home
invasion robbery, hunting deer or walking around like you're Jesse James.
"The Authoritarian left is so extereme and out of control it makes me want
to jump off a bridge. "And all this time, I thought Gov Herbert
was a Republican, LDS who went to BYU.
Mr.Todd I think that you are taking literary license with those documents you
appeal to in order to prove your point. I do not see anywhere that God gives us
the right to carry a concealed weapon. The second amendment certainly does not
contain the word "concealed" in it. I support Gov. Herbert in his
thoughtful veto of this bill.Irony Guy & LDS Liberal, how can I
or any other citizen ever be a part of a "well regulated militia" unless
I have the right to keep and bear arms?
Mr. Todd, I see one really, really big problem with your argument. You said, and
I quote, "our forefathers were endowed by their creator with the right to
carry a concealed weapon." In the days of our forefathers, they had muskets,
which unless you had pretty stinkin' big pockets, were impossible to
conceal. The reason for the Second Amendment was not to have a concealed weapon
(I have no idea where you got that notion from), but to protect the families.
You also said the Amendment was there so we could, "keep and bear Arms,"
but you missed that oh so important opening phrase, "A well regulated
Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state," This was the real
reason for the Second Amendment. Protection for the families and the state.
From a post above:"...and JFK. These guys were actual liberals
and not Authoritarians like Obama is."President Kennedy ( JFK )
ordered the blockade of Cuba and had our Navy confront the Soviet Red Navy.
Sounds like some "authority" was excersised there to me.
The Authoritarian left is so extereme and out of control it makes me want to
jump off a bridge. These poeple today are a total disgrace to people
Like John Lennon and JFK. These guys were actual liberals and not Authoritarians
like Obama is.
Well done, Governor Herbert! Kudos! As for this letter's, uh, interesting
theology, the less said the better.
I don't follow these fanatical conservative interpretations of the
Consitutiton.If God created crazy people, And all crazy people
should have access to guns, Then God is to be blamed?Look -
The Framers of the Constitution didn't spell out every little scenerio in a
nation of 350 Million people.They wrote things under the assumption
that WE would use some Common Sense.i.e., children, Crazy people,
criminals, and insanely violent should not have access to guns.That's
called COMMON Sense.Use it.BTW -- I'm still waiting
for a pro-gun person to explain the rest of the 2nd amendment - you know, the
part about must be a "well REGULATED militia".Because, If I
EVER see anyone, with any gun, in a public place, without a proper Uniform -- I
will be calling 9-11 immediately, and I'll let the responding Police
Offiers decide if that person's gun is Constitutional or not!
"God said so!" Well at least it gets us away from parsing the
Constitution for the 82nd time. Thanks for the breather (and the laugh).
Kent there is a portion in Luke where Christ says that he that does not have a
sword let him sell his cloak and buy one. However, in that same chapter he
discourages the use of it by saying "he that lives by the sword shall die by
the sword." I think with that combination of verses Christ is telling his
apostles to protect themselves when necessary but to not strike preemptively. In
other words a man of God must use his strength for, "Knowledge and defense.
Never attack." This letter though was completely off base on
this topic. Not everyone should own a gun. Not everyone must own a gun. I do
it's a .380 that carries 6 rounds in the magazine. That works just fine for
me. I also will be getting my ccw permit here in the next few months. I think
the training should be amplified a little bit to include accuracy, proper
handling, and a better understanding of the use guns in various settings.
Adam bomes dont kill, people kill.
No conservative has ever even tried to answer my question about the meaning of
"well regulated," and yet the 2nd is the only amendment qualified by
Okay, so exactly what kind of weapon does God carry? Lightning bolts?
Earthquakes?I know that comment makes no sense.But then,
too, neither does Mr. Todd's letter.If Mr. Todd were a truly
responsible gun owner and American citizen, he'd be pushing for common
sense regulations to enhance safety for all of us. A ban on guns isn't the
answer, but complete "freedom" is not, either.The answer
lies in thoughtful, careful solutions to a terrible problem. The NRA and others
like them offer only more terror.
Just wondering where, exactly, our Creator said anything about the right to
carry a weapon. I recall Jesus saying something about turning the other cheek
and loving our enemies. I don't recall anywhere in scripture reading a word
about guns. This letter is filled with fantasy.