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Published: Wednesday, April 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Y-Ask-Y?
Provo, UT

I agree. Coal IS crucial. But it comes with an environmental price we should not require our children and grandchildren to pay.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

The illustration included here is interesting as it shows the long, long trains that carry coal from the mines to the coal-fired power plants.

While "experts" tell us coal is cheap, I had the opportunity to talk with one of Utah's utility executives some years ago and I asked him why his utility was pursuing wind power. His response was, "as a hedge against railroads." I was baffled. He explained that one of the biggest costs of coal is transportation and the ONLY transportation for coal is by rail.

About 90 percent of railroad traffic in America is dominated by only FOUR companies, giving them significant bargaining power over coal companies to charge significant rates to move coal. Railroads also relied on expensive diesel fuel, which was another factor impacting coal costs. Wind, which didn't require railroads or diesel fuel after installation, completely cut out those rising expenses for the utility.

One of the problems with fossil fuels is that we often hear the "cost" without other expenses, such as transport or externalities, including climate change, pollution, or water and drilling subsidies.

We need to communicate the full cost accounting of our energy use, including subsidies.

higv
Dietrich, ID

WE can't control the climate why let it control us and destroy prosperity

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

higv: WE can't control the climate why let it control us and destroy prosperity.

...the dust bowl comes to mind, how'd that prosperity work out for them?
and mans Ignorance and greed, combined with a drought which caused it.

interested
Logan, UT

@ baron

When you talk about looking at the full cost of energy does that include wind and solar subsidies? If we look at one industry it should be fair to look at them all.
I like the idea of wind power I think it can be beneficial, but at the same time I dont want to rely on it.

I would also really like to know what the "subsidies" are that oil companies are suposed to receive. Last I read Exxon's financial statements they paid close to 40-42% in taxes.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

What warming? 15 years of flat temperatures is enough to demonstrate that the climate models that give CO2 such a prominent role are just plain wrong.

There is plenty of room for skepticism.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

The little environmentalist who cries warming is the biggest environmental problem
It diverts attention from more pressing and real problems (such as legitimate worries about Utah air quality)
Climate change has never NOT occurred and despite recovering from a particularly cold period in the 1800’s, climate has not warmed for the last 15 years – despite the hysteria, misinformation, outright lies and bully tactics

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

We can bury out heads in the sand. But, like EVERY other environmental problem we have dealt with, it is our grandchildren who will have to pick up the pieces. They will wonder why we were so profligate - especially having been warned.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Will the man made global warming hoax ever die? As our grandparent's science (empirical evidence) is to us, so will our science (empirical evidence) be to our grandchildren. Go on with your lives folks, pay no attention to the climate change wizards behind the curtain! They only want your money (carbon taxes)! Don't believe it? Al Gore now has more money than Mitt Romney but Mitt earned his money, Al Gore scammed his!

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

higv: ygtbk!

The people who deny human-caused climate change remind me of the mother who was watching the marching band go by and exclaimed, "Why look, everyone's out of step except my Johnny!"

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Climate change is happening and it is human caused. Anyone who says otherwise is willfully ignorant. The data exists.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Ernest T, Bass. Prove that man made climate change is happening!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

higv
Dietrich, ID
WE can't control the climate why let it control us and destroy prosperity

7:17 a.m. April 3, 2013

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Nobody said we "control" the climate, but we do have an "affect" on it.

The "effect" is Global Warming.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Mountanman
Hayden, ID
Will the man made global warming hoax ever die?

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Nope - because it ISN'T a hoax.

BTW - The only who keep perpetuating that global warming are the same clowns on the radio who also say tobacco doesn't cause cancer.

I'll stick with Science, and ignore the college drop-outs on the AM radio.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@higv
"WE can't control the climate why let it control us and destroy prosperity"

We made acid rain (though a cap and trade program made that less of a concern. We made the ozone hole (though the Montreal Protocol regulation has largely halted the worsening of it).

@Thinkin Man
"15 years of flat temperatures is enough to demonstrate that the climate models that give CO2 such a prominent role are just plain wrong. "

The 2000s were the warmest decade on record at around .2F warmer than the 1990s. The most recent 15 years are the warmest 15 on record. 2012 was the warmest La Nina year on record.

@Mountanman
"Will the man made global warming hoax ever die?"

Maybe when we stop seeing things like record warm years (2010 warmest, 2012 was the warmest La Nina year), record warm decades (2000s were .2F warmer than the 1990s), and record Arctic sea ice lows (shattered the record in 2012)... maybe then we'll stop talking about what is going on that you're so bent on denying.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Thinking man. Your stats are baloney! The ambient average earth temperature has not warmed since 1996 except for a few very local weather patterns. Nice try but I can find local weather stats that show the earth is actually cooling! Take Russia for example where they just has near record cold temps this winter and record snow falls on the east coast and it some areas of the Midwest. Scientific theories are so easy to postulate if you use the right "data". Drat that other data, drat it! Global warming theories are a dime a dozen and so are bogus climate change computer models!

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

I believe.....in natural global warming. People are going to be grateful for it when the massive earthquake hits SLC and the fairly mild winter that it will bring to people who wouldn't have been able to survive otherwise.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Here are a couple of quotes from prophets:

"What then shall you do with Jesus that is called Christ? This earth is his creation. When we make it ugly, we offend him." —Gordon B. Hinckley

"We recommend to all people that there be no undue pollution, that the land be taken care of and kept clean, productive, and beautiful." —Spencer W. Kimball

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I don't think the Global Warming Deniers posting here are being Good Stewards of the Earth as God expects them too.

I am curious - how does one rationalize what's right and what's wrong so?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Open minded Mormon. There is a huge difference between being a good steward of the earth and buying into bogus climate change theories. God controls the climate, not man. I consider myself a good steward of the earth because I pick up trash, consume little by comparison and I keep my portion of the earth clean, painted and manicured.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

Excellent letter Dr.!

But it will no doubt be lost on the folks who believe that climate change is a hoax because for many of them their belief is more religious in nature – certainty is near absolute while the supporting evidence for their position is virtually nil (like 13,950 to 24).

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