Published: Wednesday, April 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
I agree. Coal IS crucial. But it comes with an environmental price we should not
require our children and grandchildren to pay.
The illustration included here is interesting as it shows the long, long trains
that carry coal from the mines to the coal-fired power plants. While "experts" tell us coal is cheap, I had the opportunity to talk
with one of Utah's utility executives some years ago and I asked him why
his utility was pursuing wind power. His response was, "as a hedge against
railroads." I was baffled. He explained that one of the biggest costs of
coal is transportation and the ONLY transportation for coal is by rail.About 90 percent of railroad traffic in America is dominated by only FOUR
companies, giving them significant bargaining power over coal companies to
charge significant rates to move coal. Railroads also relied on expensive diesel
fuel, which was another factor impacting coal costs. Wind, which didn't
require railroads or diesel fuel after installation, completely cut out those
rising expenses for the utility. One of the problems with fossil
fuels is that we often hear the "cost" without other expenses, such as
transport or externalities, including climate change, pollution, or water and
drilling subsidies. We need to communicate the full cost accounting
of our energy use, including subsidies.
WE can't control the climate why let it control us and destroy prosperity
higv: WE can't control the climate why let it control us and destroy
prosperity....the dust bowl comes to mind, how'd that
prosperity work out for them?and mans Ignorance and greed, combined with a
drought which caused it.
@ baronWhen you talk about looking at the full cost of energy does
that include wind and solar subsidies? If we look at one industry it should be
fair to look at them all. I like the idea of wind power I think it can be
beneficial, but at the same time I dont want to rely on it.I would
also really like to know what the "subsidies" are that oil companies are
suposed to receive. Last I read Exxon's financial statements they paid
close to 40-42% in taxes.
What warming? 15 years of flat temperatures is enough to demonstrate that the
climate models that give CO2 such a prominent role are just plain wrong. There is plenty of room for skepticism.
The little environmentalist who cries warming is the biggest environmental
problemIt diverts attention from more pressing and real problems (such as
legitimate worries about Utah air quality)Climate change has never NOT
occurred and despite recovering from a particularly cold period in the
1800’s, climate has not warmed for the last 15 years – despite the
hysteria, misinformation, outright lies and bully tactics
We can bury out heads in the sand. But, like EVERY other environmental problem
we have dealt with, it is our grandchildren who will have to pick up the pieces.
They will wonder why we were so profligate - especially having been warned.
Will the man made global warming hoax ever die? As our grandparent's
science (empirical evidence) is to us, so will our science (empirical evidence)
be to our grandchildren. Go on with your lives folks, pay no attention to the
climate change wizards behind the curtain! They only want your money (carbon
taxes)! Don't believe it? Al Gore now has more money than Mitt Romney but
Mitt earned his money, Al Gore scammed his!
higv: ygtbk!The people who deny human-caused climate change remind
me of the mother who was watching the marching band go by and exclaimed,
"Why look, everyone's out of step except my Johnny!"
Climate change is happening and it is human caused. Anyone who says otherwise is
willfully ignorant. The data exists.
@ Ernest T, Bass. Prove that man made climate change is happening!
higvDietrich, IDWE can't control the climate why let it control
us and destroy prosperity7:17 a.m. April 3, 2013============Nobody said we "control" the climate, but we
do have an "affect" on it.The "effect" is Global
MountanmanHayden, IDWill the man made global warming hoax ever die?
==============Nope - because it ISN'T a hoax.BTW - The only who keep perpetuating that global warming are the same
clowns on the radio who also say tobacco doesn't cause cancer.I'll stick with Science, and ignore the college drop-outs on the AM
@higv"WE can't control the climate why let it control us and
destroy prosperity"We made acid rain (though a cap and trade
program made that less of a concern. We made the ozone hole (though the Montreal
Protocol regulation has largely halted the worsening of it).@Thinkin
Man"15 years of flat temperatures is enough to demonstrate that the
climate models that give CO2 such a prominent role are just plain wrong.
"The 2000s were the warmest decade on record at around .2F
warmer than the 1990s. The most recent 15 years are the warmest 15 on record.
2012 was the warmest La Nina year on record. @Mountanman"Will the man made global warming hoax ever die?"Maybe
when we stop seeing things like record warm years (2010 warmest, 2012 was the
warmest La Nina year), record warm decades (2000s were .2F warmer than the
1990s), and record Arctic sea ice lows (shattered the record in 2012)... maybe
then we'll stop talking about what is going on that you're so bent on
@ Thinking man. Your stats are baloney! The ambient average earth temperature
has not warmed since 1996 except for a few very local weather patterns. Nice try
but I can find local weather stats that show the earth is actually cooling! Take
Russia for example where they just has near record cold temps this winter and
record snow falls on the east coast and it some areas of the Midwest. Scientific
theories are so easy to postulate if you use the right "data". Drat that
other data, drat it! Global warming theories are a dime a dozen and so are bogus
climate change computer models!
I believe.....in natural global warming. People are going to be grateful for it
when the massive earthquake hits SLC and the fairly mild winter that it will
bring to people who wouldn't have been able to survive otherwise.
Here are a couple of quotes from prophets:"What then shall you
do with Jesus that is called Christ? This earth is his creation. When we make it
ugly, we offend him." —Gordon B. Hinckley"We recommend
to all people that there be no undue pollution, that the land be taken care of
and kept clean, productive, and beautiful." —Spencer W. Kimball ========I don't think the Global Warming Deniers
posting here are being Good Stewards of the Earth as God expects them too.I am curious - how does one rationalize what's right and
what's wrong so?
@ Open minded Mormon. There is a huge difference between being a good steward of
the earth and buying into bogus climate change theories. God controls the
climate, not man. I consider myself a good steward of the earth because I pick
up trash, consume little by comparison and I keep my portion of the earth clean,
painted and manicured.
Excellent letter Dr.!But it will no doubt be lost on the folks who
believe that climate change is a hoax because for many of them their belief is
more religious in nature – certainty is near absolute while the supporting
evidence for their position is virtually nil (like 13,950 to 24).
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