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Published: Tuesday, April 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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MapleDon
Springville, UT

Well-stated reasoning for opposing the madness of current gun-control efforts.

Doogie
South Jordan, Utah

I find it pretty interesting that those arguing against what Mr. Lee says in his article have no facts to back them up. Personal attacks and heresay don't cut it. Way to go Senator Lee keep up the good work. Yes you are one of the Senators back there but you are not a part of their hypocrisy. Those who attack Mr Lee for short selling his house think about the own mistakes you have made in your lives. Would you like to be publicly berated for it? It comes with the territory I know, but the mistake he made in no way discredits the good work he is doing back in Washington to bring about change. Again, keep it up Mike, we are with you!

Doogie
South Jordan, Utah

In addition I don't hear anyone lambasting Corzine, the ex governor of New Jersey for his bilking millions out the investors in his charge at MF Global. He is being protected by this administration because he has made significant contributions to it. The guy should be in jail! Personal attacks instead of solid reasoning and facts don't solve any problems.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Mike won't win another election, because he is just hot air and radio hype.

salty dog
BOUNTIFUL, UT

Senator Lee respectively how do you expect us to respect you when you did a short sale on your own home after you had mortgaged it to the hilt for some last minute campaign spending. Is it not true that Reagen's own head of the budget has said that the combo of the Bush tax cuts and the unfunded wars (two) are almost half the debt owed now?
and yes I believe those who sell to the mentally impaired and people who lie on gun checks are committing a felony and should be put in jail along with the felon.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Duckhunter
"Just because you can justify and do something and call it "constitutional" or "allowed" it doesn't mean it should be done."

As a general concept, I agree with this. As it regards this particular issue, I don't think this is such a case.

"None of these proposals will buy you a bit of safety nor will they make your life better, but you appear to be just another of the emotional reactionaries that wants "something done" regardless of its lack of value or effectiveness. "

I held these positions long before Newtown and I do think some of these proposals will make things safer, especially the background checks for all gun purchases provision. Something like the high capacity magazine ban doesn't do much outside of mass shootings, a small percentage of the gun deaths each year, so I'm willing to compromise away things like that just to get the background check provision.

@ShaunMcC
"we ignore and even assist criminals ability to have weapons"

Fast and Furious? You know the problem with that is because our laws do not currently allow us to pursue those who engage in straw purchasing. That's something we need to change.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

A right to "arm" includes by the senators open ended discussion any arm, including rocket grenades, and laser weaponry available to the military. Then the citizens can fill in the "gaps" of government and take individual action to remain free.
So if your having a paranoid delusion about a conspiracy to regulate who can buy guns that develops into into a UN conspriacy to confiscate all guns, you can act on it? The problem with weapons designed to kill people being carried around concealed on the streets is the reasonableness of the gun obsessives as demonstrated above. A resonable person should not mind proving they are law abiding and carry weapons outside the home in a secure locked case.

Clydesdale
Tooele, UT

Ah I helped get rid of that loser other politician so there'd be room for Mike Lee! Go me! I rock! You all owe me a debt of gratitude.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Monk
"The current debate on gun control is about addressing a very real epidemic of mass shootings in the United States."

We have maybe 50 people a year killed by mass shootings. We have roughly 10,000 a year killed by guns. Mass shootings are a tiny fraction of the gun violence we see. We should be looking to reduce ALL gun violence (including suicide).

@Redshirt1701
"Here are the 2 main points that they have yet to deal with.
First, and most importantly, are they prepared to have government regulations on more of their rights?"

As long as it's a reasonable regulation, sure. Obviously we differ on what we consider reasonable.

"Second, by making guns harder to get you are putting more lives at risk to violent crimes and death by means other than guns. Is it really worth saving 1 life if it costs 10 other lives that could have been saved by guns?"

If your hypothetical were true, I'd say no. However, I do not believe your hypothetical is accurate since I believe the ratio goes the other way where making guns harder to get saves more lives than it costs.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt1701
"We already have laws for background checks when buying a gun. How about we just enforce the laws that we already have?"

We don't currently have laws that require background checks for ALL gun purchases. There are plenty of loopholes in the system whereby someone can currently legally by a gun without a background check. I would like those loopholes closed. Btw, if you want things enforced then tell the Republicans to stop blocking the appointment of an ATF director.

@iron&clay
"Are these people making an argument for more government control because they are on the payroll of the Wall street bankers? You know, the bankers who float all the bonds that underwrite big government spending programs and take their percentage on every dollar of big government debt?"

What logic is that even trying to... no, not at all. We just want less gun violence.

@Doogie
"no facts to back them up. "

Even Justice Scalia said in the court ruling striking down the Chicago gun ban that the Second Amendment doesn't mean there can't be any regulation on guns.

"I don't hear anyone lambasting Corzine"

Because that's off-topic to this editorial.

Moracle
Blackshear, GA

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Mike Lee; what he is saying and what he is doing in fighting arms control and defending the 2nd Amendment is RIGHT ON!

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, folks.

If we lose our right to bear arms, or have our arms capacity scaled down so much (magazine size, etc.) that we can't protect ourselves from a Tyrannical government, should one arise, you will wish for a thousand Mike Lees.

tigger
AMERICAN FORK, UT

Mr. Lee,
I own several guns and am for gun control. My husband is a CC permit holder and is also for gun control.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Re: dwayne

"First, being elected to the Senate doesnt make you a part of the government. It makes you a representative of the people who elected you."

Then, pray tell, who/what exactly IS the government if it isn't the people we elect to, you know, govern?

Forget gun control. We need remedial education for all of these folks who somehow conned their teachers, parents and peers into believing they understood basic word structure.

s_allen
Tyler, TX

I see people complaining about Lee's knowledge of history. Some of you should do some brushing up yourselves. The 2nd amendment was not written into law to protect us from each other. It was written into law to protect us from government tyrant. Something the founding fathers were all to familiar with as are many people's from many nations.

If we really want to protect us from ourselves how about better medical education to prevent malpractice deaths which far out number gun deaths.

Doogie
South Jordan, Utah

@alt 134

"Even Justice Scalia said in the court ruling striking down the Chicago gun ban that the Second Amendment doesn't mean there can't be any regulation on guns." And your point is? That is an opinion of one supreme court justice, a liberal one at that. The facts about gun control are well stated and for that matter no one focuses on the lives guns have saved! The killer in Portland only shot and killed two people...why? Because there was a man with concealed carry gun who pointed his gun at the shooter and would have fired if another person had not been in the way. That was the last shot the guy fired at anyone but himself!

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

The government can background check til they are blue in the face. The end result is, it cannot restrict gun ownership in any way, shape, form, or fashion. Says so in the US Constitution. And, in case they haven't read it lately, it says in part '... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' I don't see any, ANY exceptions there.

tigger
AMERICAN FORK, UT

Oh, I get it---it's an April Fools joke.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

The surest way to increase the population of bad guys with guns is to persuade more good guys to bear arms. That's because every bad guy with a gun is legally a good guy until he commits his first crime.

And let's face it, having a gun around sure makes it easy for a good guy to quickly become a bad guy, especially if he's angry, loopy, desperate or off his meds. (Loopy is probably not the technical medical term, but I can't think of it at the moment.)

Alfred
Pheonix, AZ

What's all the falderal about controlling guns? If Congress seriously thinks guns should be controlled all it need do is amend the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. That's the shortest and easiest way. Otherwise, hands off.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Senator Lee is absolutely right in his view of history and opposition to the universal gun registration (needed for confiscation later) scheme.

Keep up the good work, despite the opposition from the "low information voters."

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