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Published: Tuesday, April 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Ajax
Mapleton, UT

What do we do for excitement when we tire of whacking "criminals?"

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

@ ECR:
"Techpubs - Universal background checks would have saved Adam Lanza's mother if he had been identified as someone who should not own a gun or have access to a gun. Hopefully his mother would have been more responsible about making those guns accessible to him. But the system can never work if we don't start somewhere. Where would yiou suggest we start?"

By your own admission earlier Adam Lanza never completed the paperwork for a background check or CT's 14 day waiting period. He also was not listed on the National Registry since he had a clean record and was never adjudicated as mentall unstable. So even if they had required every person in the house to have a background check he still would have escaped notice.
I would start by determining what is causing these people to do things like this and finding a way to identify the warning signs earlier so that they can receive the help they need.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

@ John Armstrong:
"Nor does it say that God gave everyone a right to arm themselves with military assault rifles."

And that is why there has been a ban on most private ownership of fully automatic guns, tanks, cannons, etc. for a long time. Not a complete ban, but it is very difficult to obtain permission to possess, clear the background checks, and pay the necessary fees to have one.
Now you seem to believe that we should ban semi-automatic rifles that are used for hunting and target practice even though they are used in less than 24% of the homicides annually.

UtahVET1
Sandy, Utah

I applaud your support on Americas Second Amendment rights Mr. LEE, we need more Americans like you, and need to get those who want to control people like Bloomberg, Obama, Pelosi, and Biden out of office. Just look at how Bloomberg is pushing his financial weight around in NY. That is what they want for the rest of America.

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

Leavitt for Senate!

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Mr. Bloomberg before attempting to infringe on the constitutional rights of all people in the nation, do all you can to try to solve your problems yourself.

Are you aware of what Ogden Utah is doing?, they don't allow gang members to associate with other gang members. Have you tried this?

Do you ensure that everyone gets the mental health care they need?

Do you teach gun safety in your schools?

Do you allow teachers to carry a gun in the class room to help protect the children?

Do you allow law abiding people to carry a gun so they can defend themselves and others?

Mr. Bloomberg, you have no business asking others to give up their rights when you refuse to do what you can to help yourself.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Senator Lee,

You need to be less of an obstructionist and more cooperative in getting things done for the people who elected you. The only purpose for military style weaponry and ammunition maganizes is to arm a militia to oppose our government. Are you aware that Dallin H. Oaks has cautioned against this very thing and advocated using the peaceful means available to us of which you are a part to solve these differences. Your promise to filibuster would be frowned upon by our founding fathers as much as any restriction on our freedoms. Let the bill be heard and debated so a vote can be taken.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

re techpubs
Sioux City, IA

Military type guns are exactly the type of guns protected by the 2nd ammendment. This is so that people can join militias, (which are a military organization) when the need arises.

For example, suppose there were a hurricane or an earth quake and as a result there were gangs looting. Because the founders recognized that government militias (The army, the national guard, the police) wouldn't ALWAYS be able to respond in time or all the time, they allowed for the possibility of people militias to fill the void. Individuals, families, neighboors standing firm against criminals and gangs who would take advantage of them in this vulnerable time.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Second, by making guns harder to get you are putting more lives at risk to violent crimes and death by means other than guns. Is it really worth saving 1 life if it costs 10 other lives that could have been saved by guns?"

This is such utter nonsense, guns are saving the lives of ordinary middle class citizens. First of all nearly 70% of Americans do not own a gun. If guns where what stood between ordinary citizens and being killed by violence, we'd have a slaughter. There would be dead accountants every night on the news..instead what we have is dead criminals every night on the news, killed by another criminal, and an obituary page full of suicides. That's where gun violence occurrs. All those ordinary citizens who think they are protecting their families from some deranged criminal are living in an alternate universe.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

".....I will oppose any attempt by Congress to restrict Americans' constitutional rights. And I will equally oppose any attempt to allow government surveillance of law-abiding citizens exercising those rights....."
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If Senator Lee was half the defender of the Constitution that he aspires to be, he would know that Congress not only has the right to pass needed legislation, it has a duty to do so. The United States can’t surrender the public well-being to the mercy of the law of the jungle. And the Bill of Rights was never meant to empower miscreants who show utter contempt for the public safety of 300 million Americans.

Owen
Heber City, UT

History's lesson and warning: those who misuse the words "right granted by God..." usually find themselves on the outside looking in.

hoopsgirl
Draper, UT

Senator Lee is right on with his common sense approach! The government is all about passing legislation without a way or the means to enforce it. "They" are all of the bandwagon legislators who want to look like they are "doing something" for their constituents, even if what they are doing is wrong. Would gun legislation have prevented Sandy Hook's horror? No. Would gun legislation have prevented the Colorado theater shootings? No. "We" need to stand up and be counted so that "they" quit trying to invade every single aspect of our lives, beginning with gun control. Thanks for the great work you are doing, Senator Lee!

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

Good job Mike Lee. You are representing the people of Utah well.

There are some misguided people commenting here who don't seem to comprehend how a Constitutional Republic works, or they have an agenda that is seditious and rebellious of said Constitutional Republic and they want government to own and control everything.

Which begs the question:... Are these people making an argument for more government control because they are on the payroll of the Wall street bankers? You know, the bankers who float all the bonds that underwrite big government spending programs and take their percentage on every dollar of big government debt?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Roland, if the government had its way, all of our guns would be registered so they could confiscate them at their leisure. Any gun registry would be a violation of at least teh 4th and 5th Amendment.

ECR
Burke, VA

Thomas Jefferson said, "When the founders of the Constitution wrote it, they wanted to assure universal ownership be uninfringed."

And the founders also established the Supreme Court with intention of interpreting the Constitution. One of the most conservative members ever to sit on the Supreme Court, Antonin Scalia, wrote these words in the majority opinion against the DC ban on owning and possessing handguns,

"The Second Amendment right is not a right to keep and carry any weapon in any manner and for any purpose. The Court has upheld gun control legislation including prohibitions on concealed weapons and possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, and laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons supports the holding in United States v. Miller that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time."

And so we see that the right to bear arms is not absolute, without any conditions. Mr. Lee should know that. I think Justice Scalia would agree with me.

Jared from CT
SOUTHBURY, CT

I heartily endorse what Mike Lee wrote. He is 100% correct on everything he wrote. The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Pretty doggone easy to understand. If you support the Constitution, you cannot be in favor of gun control. Frankly, the fact that criminals sometimes use guns to commit crimes doesn't give government the right to infringe on the Constitutional right of citizens to bear arms (of all types). The sole remedy the government has is to prosecute criminals to the full extent of the law. Tell you what, do away with illegal immigration, stop the welfare cycle in inner cities, and quit government sponsorship of the destruction of the traditional family, and crime, including crimes committed using guns, will plummet.

pam dale
Santa Clara, UT

Thank God for men like Senator Lee, as they are few and far between during these dark days. It is the Constitution that must be upheld, nothing more. I stand behind you, Mike, and applaud your courage in remembering and fighting for our laws. Undoing the damage that has been wrought on our nation may be impossible, but we have a fighting chance with principled men such as yourself.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

In writing about the Second Amendment, Sen. Lee said nothing about the term "well-regulated." I'd like his thoughts on what well-regulated means. Remember, the amendment doesn't merely say "regulated." It says "well-regulated."

Also, he talks about the right of gun ownership. Usually, a discussion of rights includes comments about responsibilities, because rights and responsibilities tend to go hand in hand. What does he think are the responsibilities connected to gun ownership?

mgdhunter
Spanish Fork, UT

Whatever you think of Mike Lee is not the point! He is right in what he says, and we had better stand for our liberties, or there will shortly be NONE! Not everyone is perfect, but the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are the only thing we have to protect us. I hope all will see through what the Government is doing, because we are little by little losing anything we cherish.

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

It's nice to know we have a true Patriot in Washington representing our interests properly. Senator Lee understands our God-given, Constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms, and it appears he will do all he can to preserve this fundamental right... even if he has to launch a filibuster to prevent the UN Small Arms Treaty from being ratified in the Senate. I applaud him for his brave stance and loyalty to liberty!

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