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Published: Tuesday, April 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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cjb
Bountiful, UT

For the elite gun control people its one set of rules for them and another for the rest of us.

For us, we have gun free zones to protect our schools. For them, they have armed guards to protect the schools their kids go to.

For them they have guards with automatic assault guns to protect them. For us, we are supposed to have a double barrel shotgun and then shoot both rounds in the air to scare off an attacker.

If this is such a good tactic, may I suggest they train and then instruct their guards to do the same?

May I also suggest to Mayor Bloomberg, that if New York has issues with gun violence, that he deal with the violent people in his juristiction and let law abiding across the nation alone.

ECR
Burke, VA

It is disheaertening to read the Senator's words and discover that he uses the same, worn outm message used by others to squelch the conversation about gun violence in America.

"The first is history's lesson that government can't be everywhere, all the time. So free citizens must fill in the inevitable gaps to look out for ourselves and for each other."

Seems like a reasonable statement, but then...

"The second reason is history's warning that we would not like to live under any government that tried to be everywhere, all the time."

There goes that totalitarian plot theory. No one is talking about the government being everywhere but we are talking about doing something, even if you if it is just one thing, in response to the tragedy of Sandy Hook and so many other shootings in recent times. And it is worth noting that Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook gunman, was turned down for a gun purchase by a Connecticut gun shop becasue their laws require a 14 day background check and wiating period, which he rejected. That law worked in that case but the lack of other laws and enforcement allowed Lanza kill 26 innocent victims.

Cool Cat Cosmo
Payson, UT

"I will oppose any attempt by Congress to restrict Americans' constitutional rights. And I will equally oppose any attempt to allow government surveillance of law-abiding citizens exercising those rights."

This is one American that could not agree more, which is why at this moment I am typing this from my smartphone before getting up for another day of intensive firearms training in the Nevada desert.

I do not have much spare time as a school teacher, but knowing the deadly use of force, understanding the repercussions, & threats my students may face, I feel I have the obligation to exercse my 2nd Amendment rights and defend them and myself.

Thank you for standing for our eroding rights, even if it means being demonized as a "nut," "baby-killer," etc. The irony is, we only seek to protect the innocent.

I invite all who may see weapons as simply evil to go and get trained by those who train our policeman. You will see that the majority of legal gunowners take it very seriously, and are responsible & respectible citizens, not the crazies we are sometimes made out to be.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

Thank you Senator for a reasonable explanation of why the Universal Background Checks won't work.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I would also be opposed to a national gun registry. There is not one being proposed at the time, so the Senator's point on that issue is moot.

Anyone who buys a gun from a retailer has to pass a background check. Convicted felons know this, so they buy their guns at venues where no check will be required, or they pay someone else to buy them. This is why universal background checks are needed along with tougher laws on straw buyers.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Thank you Sen. Lee. Excellent explanation and you are right on. This Government would like nothing more that a registry showing ownership of all guns. And I firmly believe that a government led by the likes of Obama and those like him would welcome the chance to confiscate those guns.
" The unarmed man is not just defenseless, he is also contemptible." ~ Machiavelli.

dwayne
Provo, UT

ECR,

"It is disheaertening to read the Senator's words and discover that he uses the same, worn outm message used by others to squelch the conversation about gun violence in America."

Its disheartening that nothing we say matters to you. You will just accuse us of trying to squelch the debate so you can silence those whose rights you violate.

"There goes that totalitarian plot theory."

You seem to be under an impression that totalitarian governments are a form of government set apart from others. What made the British Republic with a Parliament that our Congress is modeled after a government worthy of a revolution? What exactly led up to the American Revolution? The British electorate and the elected representatives of the British did not see the point of the British in America the way you do. They thought they were having just another constitutional debate about the British constitution.

"No one is talking about the government being everywhere but we are talking about doing something"

Which is very similar to the argument made by the British leading up to the Revolution. You use tragedies to violate our rights the way the British used the good of the republic

dwayne
Provo, UT

EDM,

"First of all, who are "they"? YOU were elected to the Senate, yet you seem to want to be no part of the government, as I read it."

First, being elected to the Senate doesnt make you a part of the government. It makes you a representative of the people who elected you. Your argument seems to be Lee has not become arrogant and conceited enough for you yet since he doesnt see himself as being a special breed of human because of his office.

"Second, you have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry."

Sorry, you are still violating the rights of Americans and you and your fellow Americans who are conceited enough to take your comments about how others whose rights you violate dont know what we are talking about and run for office need to to "stop talking."

"Place reasonable limits on the amount of ammo and types of guns we can possess - it's worth it even if saves just one life."

Please stop defending your violation of our rights and using our children's lives to your advantage. Rephrased, apparently its worth it to you even if "one life" is lost.

Obama10
SYRACUSE, UT

I would like someone to explain the logistics to me about the universal background check. If I want to sell a gun, would I go to a website and enter the person's information and it would tell me if I can sell my gun to him/her? Would I need to make a trip to a police station to have them perform the check for me? What if the person gives me false information, am I now liable? The universal background check sounds nice, but I have not heard a concrete plan on how it would be implemented. Could someone please explain? And lets just forget, that criminal and thugs and gang-bangers do not follow the law anyway and would continue to get their guns illegally.

whi7efea7her
Layton, UT

Thank you Mike Lee! Keep up the heat on Washington, I am rooting for you!

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

So today we learned that Mike Lee knows as little about history as he knows about the Constitution. Why did anyone ever vote for this guy?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

“Gun control isn't about guns — it's about control. And the right to bear arms isn't about the arms — it's about the right.”

A person who is supposed to be a representative of the people should understand the purpose of government and how it accomplishes it’s job. And knowing the true job of government, should support the main purpose of government.

There are very few, if any, laws that regulate the actions of inanimate things. The laws of government regulate and control the use of inanimate by human beings. And by that regulation and control of the human beings make possible civilization and the society we live in.

The first and most important job of government is the protection of it’s citizens. The main part of that job is protecting them from each other. There are many more laws about our own actions than about actions of foreigners. The government tool for that job is control.

That control is what gives us freedom and protection. Those who rant about government control may not have our best interest in mind

cindy56k
TOK, AK

I find those of you who are commenting on this and Senator Mike Lee, either unconstitutional or sheep still sleeping. I am from Utah but live in Alaska and I have been awake for awhile. Mike Lee is doing a great job in the senate for Utahns I wish I could say the same about our senators, who just vote with Obama regardless. Mike Lee is fighting for your constitutional rights come on Utahs I have seen a lot of people in pictures at the capitol standing for your rights also. This is no joke, this is the government trying to take your 2nd amendment rights. We don't need a Universal Background Check that will be controlled by the UN, this is about this Administration taking YOUR RIGHTS TO BEAR ARMS. I know a lot of hunters in Utah, and this is not about more laws but complete control of our guns. If they take them welcome to Germany and socialism. Be smart Utah listen to Mike Lee and God.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Compare what Sen. Lee says and the likes of Obama and his wanna be,s

From the voices of Freedom and liberty!

According to a Washington Times article, on a Wednesday conference call organized by "Mayors Against Illegal Guns," Biden referred to current anti-gun legislation and told his anti-gun supporters, "Let me say this as clearly as I can: this is just the beginning."

As reported Monday by the Washington Times, Bloomberg indicated on Sunday that sometimes government does know best, and in those cases, Americans should just cede their rights and allow the government to make their personal choices for them.

"I do think there are certain times we should infringe on your freedom," Mr. Bloomberg said, during
an appearance on NBC.

Please stay the course Sen. Lee

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Former Governor Mike Leavitt said, he was concerned that another six years of Lee, who along with Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who make up the Senate version of The Three Stooges, would be too embarrassing.
So Lee proposes to block an attempt to punish aiding and abetting in a murder in order to protect Second Amendment rights.
Mike is apparently thinking of running against him, to relieve Utah of the failed tea party experiment, that is Mike Lee.

Red State
Littleton, CO

I thought Utah was a conservative state. I am amazed at the uninformed leftists trashing this article. Effective background checks always lead to total gun registry. Those of us who have read the history of the last 100 years know that is very dangerous. I will take my freedom, you liberals take your big government.

coltakashi
Richland, WA

The problem that caused the Sandy Hook tragedy is two fold. First, we have abandoned control of people who are potentially violently insane. Second, we pretend that a sign declaring an area a gun free zone actually prevents guns from being carried inside, as if the guns themselves read the signs and refuse to enter. That is as stupid as the woman who thinks we should relocate all deer crossing signs to less busy sections of the highways, to make the deer cross there. But guns and deer don't read signs. And people disobey signs all the time.

We enforce speed limit signs with a highway patrol. Gun free zone signs are only effective if there is a school patrol to enforce them. We know how to do it. We have armed guards and metal detectors at our courthouses and airports, using metal detectors and x-ray macines. All the government buildings where laws are made have real guards, such as the US Capitol. If we want real security, it needs to se real guards.

The Sandy Hook survivors are in a new building. And they have armed guards now, to ensure against another attack by an insane person.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

@ ECR "And it is worth noting that Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook gunman, was turned down for a gun purchase by a Connecticut gun shop becasue their laws require a 14 day background check and wiating period, which he rejected. That law worked in that case but the lack of other laws and enforcement allowed Lanza kill 26 innocent victims."

Since you brought up this tragedy I would like to ask you the following:
1. Would Universal Background Checks have stopped him from killing his mother and stealing her guns?
2. Would more magazines with less rounds have prevented him from killing those at the school? (Please don't tell me that these children would have tackled him while he was reloading.)

Well.ok
Lehi, UT

So background checks restrict our "God given" rights? Therefore God must be against background checks. I'm surprised he didn't throw in the requisite, "choose ye this day whom you will serve..." Please fellow Utahns, let's vote this embarrassment out!

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Cjb's comment expressed my opinion on this issue exactly. It's also the most truthful comment on this board. What a beautiful statment. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

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