John; The Urban institute study is for legal immigrants. The Federal Reserve
Bank of San Francisco is for legal immigrants, and the numbers are 0.6-0.9% not
10x higher as you quoted.
John Try quoting a study for illegal aliens, not one that lumps the
legal and illegal together. For the record, only 3% start a new business, 80%
are out of business in the first year. Compare to citizens that last 5 years
before the 80% fail. Studies that combine legal immigrants and
illegal aliens are not believable. Their are plenty of studies by the US
government that show how badly Americans are hurt by illegal aliens. Our fertility rate drops during recessions. It will rise when it ends. We let
in over a million green cards each year. We don't need people here
illegally. Until our government gets their visa program under
control, and starts enforcing the laws, the only change we need is to stop
giving visas. We have enough here illegally to fill the jobs. 40% of
those here illegally overstayed their visa, including the 911 terrorists.
@Fitness Freak,Studies on jobs include:The Urban
Institute (Immigration and Immigrants: Setting the Record Straight), which
states, "Immigrants generate more jobs than they take. Native job loss to
immigrants is limited to labor markets where the economy is slack and immigrants
are concentrated."Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco (The
effect of Immigrants on U.S. Employment and Productivity), which states
“...total immigration to the United States from 1990 to 2007 was
associated with a 6.6% to 9.9% increase in real income per worker.”Studies on remittances include:Social Science Research
Council (Migrants’ Remittances and Development) Immigration
Policy Center (Many Happy Returns: Remittances and their Impact)The
above two explain how much of their remittance money ends up buying U.S. goods
and services. If workers work and pay taxes here, it's better than
outsourcing to a foreign country. With sufficient labor, our companies are more
productive, helping reduce our trade deficit. A good share of that remittance
money DOES come back to the U.S. and stimulate our economy.Besides,
we need more people. The fertility rate of our native-born population is now
below replacement level.
How could the authors say that there is no need to secure the border when there
are an estimated 11 million undocumented people here? The existence of a certain
amount of "tall tales" concerning problems on the borders is no
indication that the problems with violence are not well documented and quite
significant. 50 thousand deaths across our southern border is much more a war
zone than even Baghdad. The flow of undocumented aliens is still very high.
Securing the border is an essential step in fixing our broken immigration system
in a way that is compassionate yet at the same time truly effective and lasting.
Does anybody else think that 51,517 people getting through just one section of
the border is bad? Does the government realize that there is more at risk than
just American jobs?This is a national security problem. The border
patrols are reporting that they are finding more illegals trying to cross the
border that are from the Middle East, and some have strong ties to terrorist
organizations.Is it me, or is having a pourous border that allows
terrorists to cross it a bad thing?
re: "John c.c." In a word BALONEY!What studies?Are they increasing consumer spending when I see them waiting at Wal-Mart to
send money home?Tell the fact that "they don't take
jobs" to roofers, drywallers, laborers, who have LOST their jobs to
contractors who can undercut wages down to as low as $5.00 per hr. While at the
same time paying absolutely no employers' taxes on them. BTW - those
jobs Americans "won't do" - I did; until I graduated college. I
earned minimum wage. The employers you're referring to won't even pay
that.Do you think there should be NO labor or regulatory protections
whatsoever? Why can't we bring Drs. here? They are doing medical
procedures in Mexico for one-tenth the cost of U.S. Drs.How can
illegal trespassers possibly be raising wages while they are undercutting them?
Thats' extremely nonsensical on its face.BTW- studies done by
"La Raza" don't count for much validity!
@Fitness Freak and RRB,You have it backwards. Immigrant workers,
even undocumented ones, raise the average wages of local citizens. Studies show
they are more likely than our local citizens to start their own businesses and
hire more workers. They and their families increase consumer spending, and
cause their employers to hire more local workers to supervise and handle the
overhead tasks of having more employees. But mostly, immigrant workers
don't take the same jobs as local citizens. The only wages of local
citizens that tend to drop under increased numbers of guest workers are those of
unskilled laborers without a high school education. You see, guest workers work
harder and for less pay than our own citizens in those jobs.Are you
afraid because you can't compete? Where's your American ethic of hard
work and fair, open market competition?I understand your resentment
of U.S. employers who take advantage of undocumented guest workers. The best
way to remove this abusive practice is to allow the workers to come legally.
@anti-liar,The only reason all of our forefathers who built this
nation immigrated here legally is because there were NO LAWS LIMITING
IMMIGRATION prior to our anti-Chinese hysteria of the late 1800's. The
Constitution of the United States only laid out how those who came here might be
naturalized.Let's go back to the Constitutional standards that
made our country great.
2011 (numbers not released for 2012 yet) we let in 3.2 million on work visas,
plus one 1.1 million green cards. With over 23 million Americans
looking for full time work, I think that is to many.
A lot of the reason wages stay depressed is the constant flow of cheap illegal
labor.Last year alone, U.S. business spent 1.5billion on lobbying
efforts for the sole purpose of maintaining the "status quo" (or at
least guarantee no enforcement)regarding illegal immigration.Businesses are making out like "bandits". Unfortunately the
unemployed/underemployed are the victims. As are all the rest of us who
"pick up the tab" for the social costs of illegal trespassers.First time I've agreed with "real maverick", I think.The various political parties try to make illegal trespassing a "political
football" in the hopes that illegal/unethical employers can continue with
what they've been doing all along.Since when did law
enforcement become political?
Laws won't stop bad people from coming here illegally.It's
weird how the pro gun crazies don't think that laws or regulations have any
effect on gun ownership yet are the first when it comes to making additional
laws and regulations on other issues. Consistency is what he right lacks the
most!I say cut and get rid of the bloat. Make it easier to come here
and gain ownership. Give out work visas! The only additional
regulations and laws I'd support would be to punish those who employ
illegally. Why in this whole discussion does the right always "forget"
to punish businesses!?
Ahhh immigration...the drug runners, dealers, drug runners run by the
cartels....YetNo problem with the U.S. gun dealers
arming the cartels...An average of 253,000 weapons purchased in the
United States head south of the border each year, according to the study by four
scholars at the University of San Diego’s Trans-Border Institute and the
Igarape Institute, a research center in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.The authors
said a series of factors – such as sales from gun shows and private
dealers – made their estimates, if anything, low. Of the
51,300 retail gun shops in the United States that hold federal licenses, some
6,700 of them are concentrated in the four US states that border Mexico, Muggah
said. On average, there are more than three gun dealers for every mile of the
1,970-mile border between the countries.“The vast majority of
deaths arising from violence in Mexico are from .38s or that caliber of
handgun,” Muggah said. “It just so happens that the largest market
for .38 Specials is the United States.”(Christian Science Monitor,
Home land security reports the Rio Grande Valley saw 100,000 arrests last year.
In the Del Rio sector it was the same 100,000 arrests. That shows their source
as questionable. If 200,000 were arrested in two sectors, think how many made it
past. Utah has shut down drug runners, dealers, and identity mills
run by the drug cartels. Their crimes are "spilling over" into American
streets.Reuters poll says the majority want them deported. The laws
say they should be. There is no statute of limitations on being here illegally.
Now would be a good time for business and some of our government to change their
illegal and evil ways. To have respect for our countries legal immigrants, our
poor, our middle class, all the taxpayers, and the victims of their dishonesty.
God said to love another, and they are showing a lack of it to everyone but the
business owners that commit felonies by hiring people here illegally.
Who's more credible? Cornyn? Or people who cunningly obfuscate their
amnesty/legalization agenda behind euphemisms such as, "meaningful
immigration reform," and, "comprehensive immigration reform?" These
people know they are in the wrong -- and they know that most America knows it
too. No wonder the obfuscatory euphemisms. And Obama's people
already have admitted that they count border turnarounds as deportations. Of
course this is a form of "fixing the books" in order to squelch those
annoying "extremist" Americans who demand that the law actually be
enforced equitably, the same for everyone, instead of giving one group a pass
but making another group pay for the sins of the first group. Equality at the
law is the right thing to do, the fiscally responsible thing to do, the
humanitarian thing to do; and, based on history, the Constitution, and the rule
of law necessarily associated with it, the history of the country -- wherein
people immigrated LEGALLY -- also is the American thing to do.