Published: Thursday, March 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
When you say "Trusting and giving the government complete power to dictate
all walks of life and acquiescence to socialism is what will cause the demise of
our country", you are engaging in the same kind of rhetorical excess you
accuse Andrew McDonald of. Most Republicans are not bellicose fear-mongers. Most
Democrats don't support giving the government complete power or
acquiescence to socialism. And, frankly, suggesting that there is widespread
support for complete government control and socialism sounds a little extreme to
How did that 8 years of Bushco sit with ya'? I'm guessing as a proud
Republican, George and Dick are without blame. Spending trillions and borrowing
hundreds of billions from China was "necessary, right? Our infrastructure
could have used a big boost with the trillions wasted during the Bushco Reign of
Terror, but that would just be "socialism", right?
So Andrew McDonald owes Kim Skinner a debt of graditude. While Andrew
appartently failed to articulate why he thinks Republicans are extreme, Kim does
a good job of illustrating why that is true."Is it extreme to be
pro-life" - No. That's why many Democrats are pro-life. And please
don't tell me that no Republican has ever had an abortion."to favor agency" unless you're making a chouice about your own
body or who you will marry"personal accountability" becuase
no liberal Democrat ever supported himself"the Second
Amendment" - Please read Justice Scalia's opinion in District of
Columbia vs. Heller"voluntary charity" except for giving tax
breaks to the already wealthy"Is it extreme to oppose government
waste" except at the Pentagon"fraud and burdensome debt"
the debt was tripled during the 80's when who was in the White House?And just reading the last paragraph one can see why Andrew thinks
Republicans are being "dangerously extreme, mean-spirited, bellicose and of
fear-mongering." When Republicans claim their platform is made up of
"righteous principles" and Democrat's positions are
"socialism" I think we can see where Andrew got his idea.
I think the Republican Party should hold onto their views with both hands and
never give in but then again I am a democrat.
One more poor, gullible soul who has been completely fooled by the GOP.
When your positions are so far to the right that Reagan looks like a moderate,
than yes, you are a little extreme. When you are so far right that Reagan looks
like a Liberal, you are very extreme. When you think Fox News is a
Liberal media source, than yes - you are incredibly extreme. Do
these things apply to the entirety of the Republican Party? Of course not. And
those who disagree with these positions are the ones within the party calling it
out for being too extreme - and this letter writer shows the response they
receive. Yes - part of the Republican Party is very extreme. And if you really think everyone who thinks the Republican Party needs
to change is a Liberal or a Democrat, not only are you an extreme party, you are
also a very small party.
Good response ECR..let me just add a couple of little details. If you want to
be believe that any abortion is evil then by all means don't have an
abortion. However when the law clearly allows for abortions in some
circustances, and public opinion supports such a law, to try and inact policies
that define a newly fertilized egg as a person is extreme. If you
believe that private organizations with defined memberships can solve socieities
welfare needs, then by all means contribute to your hearts content. However to
define the position that society as a whole has a responsibility to all of its
members welfare, as forced charity is extreme.I could go on but you
get the point.
Extreme is:Refusing to raise the debt ceiling--(essentially telling
our creditors we aren't going to pay the bill), something that has been
routinely done since at least 1940--18 times during Reagan's presidency and
7 times under G.W. Bush.Granting personhood to the unborn, 14th
amendment rights, and prohibiting abortion in all circumstances.Filibustering non-controversial judicial nominations.Teaching
creationism as a science subject in schoolsIgnoring the vast
scientific consensus on climate change.Believing U.S. citizens need
to be armed to fight against the govt.Believing that 47% of
Americans who don't owe federal income tax are lazy, n'er-do-wells
I have no idea where we got the idea that the GOP was insensitive, self-serving,
and radical..."There are 47 percent of the people who will vote
for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with
him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who
believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that
they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. ... My
job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they
should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."or"Corporations are people my friend!"or"I like being able to fire people."or "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama
to be a one-term president."Not to mention all the hateful
comments made against women and minorities...
How or why are positions held by Republicans considered extreme?Is
it extreme to be pro-life, [only when it doesn’t allow for rape,
incest, health and life of the woman, and viability of the fetus – as the
GOP platform now stands.]to favor agency, personal accountability,
[ I’m being forced to pay for Corporate Welfare and Wars I
don’t support] the Second Amendment and voluntary charity
versus forced charity? [BackGround Checks are common sense, and do not
threaten the 2nd amendment, and General Welfare is not the same as charity.]Is it extreme to oppose government waste, fraud and burdensome debt? [Get back to me when the GOP has figured out how to pay $3 Trillion wasted in
the Middle East]BTW – I did a quick search Deseret News search
on “Kim Skinner”. It reveals someone who submits letters to the
Editor ... dare I say, EXTREMELY often.
It is extreme to refer to taxes as "forced charity." Taxes are not
charity. They are they way we fund necessary government functions, such as
defense, infrastructure, air and water quality, the judicial system, and taking
care of the elderly, disabled, and disadvantaged. Because we have been unwilling
to tax at a sufficient level to pay for what both parties agree are necessary
expenditures, we have growing debt.But if Kim Skinner is of the
opinion that we should leave all these government functions to "volunteer
charity," we will soon have a vulnerable, crumbling, polluted, crime-ridden,
and destitute society, because, as been shown by study after study, those who
reap the greatest rewards from our economic system are actually the least
charitable. Volunteer charity can't even keep up with what government is
unable to do.
Because most listen to Limbaugh yell and spit venom daily.
More examples of the GOP being extreme...The poor, sick and the
elderly can all be denied Healthcare due to pre-existing conditions.The earth is only 6,000 years old.That Blastula is a human
being.That Corporations are "people".Climate
Change is Hoax.47% of the U.S. population is stereotyped as a bunch
of lazy free loaders.That the 2nd amendment allows for criminals and
the mentally insane to have unlimited access to weapons.That Racial
Profiling is OK.That a woman who is "legitimately raped" has
ways of naturally reversing her pregnancy.That LGBTs can be
categorized as sub-human or sub-citizens. [I recall the GOP spending years
saying - "Equal Rights, Not Special Rights"? So, what say you now?]
It is funny to see the liberals ranting about their favorite talking points
between Repbulicans and Democrats. The fact is that the policies that most of
the Republicans that are currently in office have are not that different than
the Democrats.With most of the comments here it is like watching a
Marxist debate a Fabian Socialist about why the Fabian's views are so
extreme.To "Open Minded Mormon" you realize that
liberals/progressives do not advocate for personal responsibility. That is how
we ended up with SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the countless social
welfare programs in the first place. Your ilk believe that you shouldn't
have to pay the consequences for their mistakes.
I see most of the posters here come from the Chris Matthews school of tolerance:
I.E engage in some prophylactic bigotry and call everyone who disagrees with
you a racist/extremist in an attempt to put them on the defensive and hope no
one notices your own extremism (i.e. no limitations on abortion in the
Democratic platform; stage managing a phony tea party incident in hopes of
provoking antagonism, and when it doesn’t happen - call them racist
anyhow; spend thousands of dollars to attend a Catholic university so you can
claim you are a victim when they don’t pay for your $10 birth control -
then claim there is a war on women – to divert attention from your own war
on rational thought, etc. etc.)Trouble is: Matthews (et al) is a
complete absolute total jokeGorbechov callign Reagan an extremist -
really says more about Gorbechov than ReaganThe letter writer should
be proud of his point; as illustrated by the hysteria it evokes from left-wing
OK, writer, so your positions are not extreme or extreem or x-stream. Fine.
They're still fraught with nasty consequences. The difference between
liberal and conservative is clear: "We're in this together" versus
"You're on your own, Pal."
When I hear the constant tirade of the Republican right against our federal
government and against President Obama personally, I wonder how different that
is from how Anthony Kuck describes the mental state of his close friend, Jared
Loughner?"I know he has some crazy thoughts where he ... just
believes the government is corrupt, and he has all these assumptions on things,
that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. He just seemed
to have some kind of ... hate for government."Now some may
excuse this drumbeat of virulence as righteous indignation. However, to me this
is the worrisome side of extremism that I find so threatening.
I couldn't agree more with the comments of Irony Guy.Either
everyone matters or no one matters.
Halach HuinicThe implication that there was a connection between Jared
Loughner and Republicans is Chris Matthewesque EXTREMISM at its most hateful.
Follwing the same logic; Any leftist willing to engage in such bigotry deserves
to be lumped in with "open minded and tolerant" Charles Manson
It's like reading; "The Paranoid Style in American Politics"
by American historian Richard J. Hofstadter all over again...
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