Re: cjb Bountiful, UTThere is no reason to take the constitutional
gun rights from law abiding people. There is no legislation currently being
considered to do that.You might read the legislation and re-consider
your thinking on the issue, unless you favor anyone, regardless of criminal
record, mental instability, terrorist affiliation, and extremist anti-government
political sentiment (to name a few categories), from owning any type of weapon
they want. But, then, say that and don't say something false like
eliminating "the constitutional gun rights from law abiding people".
That's just poppy-cock!!
How many of the myriad of gun laws are laws prohibiting enforcement of or
restrictions on other gun laws? People keep saying that there are more than
enough gun laws, but they neglect to tell you that many of these laws were
passed under the direction of the NRA to reduce the effect of existing gun laws
they had decided are not in its interests. Included in this effort is to
disallow studies on gun violence and the real impact of gun violence on
people's lives.This includes the laws passed to limit
restrictions on who can have a gun. Although the NRA talks about keeping guns
out of the hands of the mentally-unstable, this lobbying organization gives lip
service to the restriction and while working to make sure the 2nd amendment
rights of the mentally-unstable, criminals, terrorists, and potential traitors
are not infringed. The bellicosity of the NRA leadership and the
paranoid-psychotic ranting about the black helocopters and the need to defend
ourselves against a democratically-elected government might suggest that we
really need to be concerned about that organization and why they oppose
universal background checks.
Re LDS liberalSo what is the point if Chicago has the lowest (or
highest) handgun deaths since the 1950's?If their hand gun
deaths are not what they ought to be, then let CHicago deal with the the violent
people in their own city. Their handgun deaths is not a legitimate reason to
take constitutional gun rights from law abiding people in other cities or in
I heard on KSL this morning, that Chicago has had the LOWEST number of
handgun deaths since the 1950's.But you'll never hear the
pro-gun lobby admit that the gun laws there are working!
I'm not sure how the author came up with the low number of gun
homicide's for 2011. The CDC reported more than 11,000 in 2011, not the
6200 reported by the author. The total deaths by gun in 2011 was over 30,000
which nearly matches the traffic fatalities, the difference being that the vast
majority of those were accidents. If one third of traffic fatalities were
deliberate we would be having a completely different discussion.The
statement, often thrown around that the gun violence rate has dramatically
reduced in the last 20 years is not true. It is not dramatic and has only
dropped per capita slightly. The actual number of gun homicides has been
increasing over the last decade, from the 9000's in the late 1990's to
the 11000's currently.
"Prohibition didn't work in the 1920s and by any measure it has failed
today". If this statement is something you're going to use for an
argument please, please let me have the kind of access and rights to use and
transport liquor that I enjoy for my handgun.
Aaron's proposal is worthwhile. It's always best to go for the root
causes. Interesting that the most responsible voices in Utah GOP are coming from
the Wasatch Back, Mr. Gabrielson and Representative Kraig Powell. Now if only
Utah County would secede....
Aaron Gabrielson is the chairman of the Wasatch County Republican Party.======== Wowzers!A Moderate Centrist Republican, in
Utah?!Agreed.If the Drug problem in America is to be
blamed on drugs coming from Mexico, Then the Gun problem in Mexico is to
be blamed on Guns coming from America.
Thank you Lew ScannonEurope must be a wonderful place to live. No
rapes, no murders, no one being beat up severly using knives or bats, therefore
no reason to defend one's self from these things.We really must
take a look at our society and do all we can to make our society more like
theirs. We are really fortunate to have Europe as a model in the world,
otherwise we might think that such a society was an impossibility.
Perhaps we could focus our efforts on trying to create the sort of society where
people do not believe they need a gun to be safe. I've lived in such a
society, in Europe. I could walk the streets at night in the ghetto of the
country's largest city and feel safe. Yes, they had strict gun laws. But
they also had a culture that was strikingly less violent than what we have
allowed to blossom here in America. Guns are a symptom of our real illness, not
the illness itself. And mental illness is not the illness either.
The causes of gun violence are many, as Aaron Gabrielson reasonably argues.
It's unfortunate that it takes the issue of stronger gun control being
revived to finally motivate us to consider doing something about those causes we
should have been paying attention to all along.
America has been fighting its war on gun violence with the same intelligence it
has been fighting its war on drugs. A quote I ran across the other day sums it
up. Consequently we are losing both wars."Adam Lanza commits a
crime, and I'm here to grovel and plead for my rights?"A quote to
Connecticut lawmaker spoken by Robert Steed, a resident of Vernon, Conn after
the shooting in Newtown Conn.In other words, when criminals misuse
guns, America targets the law abiding instead of targeting those who commit the
crimes or providing necessary treatment to the mentally ill capable of commiting
such crimes. Candidate Obama said the following when he first ran for president,
"I am not against war", (speaking against the war in Iraq), "I am
against stupid war".I agreed with him at the time and as a
partial consequence of his saying that saying, I voted for him. I just wish he
would make use the same critical thinking and intelligence when it comes to
controlling (gun) violence.
For a change in my opinion Aaron is not totally wrong. Gun violence has gone
down dramaticly over the decades. I think there are two factors at work here.
One is the percent of famillies who have a gun in the house has also gone down
dramaticly. In the 50's it was over 50% of households who had a gun.
Today it's around 34%. Even a casual observer can see,
dramatic tragedies aside, most gun violence is perpetuated by criminals on
criminals and regualar citizens self inflicting, either accidentily or on
purpose. Of course the right promotes a third category wihich is criminal on
regular citizen. While this third category occurs it's not the probable
danger that most citizens face, and the decline in households owning guns is
witness to the fact that most citizens have come to that conclusion. So let's have a reasonable discussion about how to keep guns out of the
hands of criminals and the mentally ill who may not habitually commit crimes but
are more likely to commit one horrific crime and how to limit the damage they