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Published: Wednesday, March 27 2013 1:00 p.m. MDT

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DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

As the First Amendment allows, the Church is free to keep their restrictions on marriage as long as it's within their own membership. There is no more chance of the Church being forced to marry a same-gendered couple than they would be forced to marry non-members. All the protection they need is written into the First Amendment and any attempt otherwise would be wrong.
However, there are many churches today that are denied their First Amendment rights. The Unitarians and the Metropolitan Community Church, for instance are more than happy to perform marriages for same-gendered couples, but are prohibited by the laws in most states.
Marriage in the United States is first and foremost a legal contract conferred by the State. As such, it is subject to the 14th Amendment guarantees of equal protection under the law.

Wastintime
Los Angeles, CA

Two questions:

1) Say a prophet of some religion, for instance, marries a woman that is already married to another man; are not the two men somehow in a marriage relationship with each other (by reason of being married to the same woman)?

2) Was polygamy a doctrine or a practice? If a practice (that has been discontinued) is it still doctrine?

UteNationAlum
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Thank you LDS church!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Good job mormons!

Me and Pope Francis are with you.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I find it confusing when some people claim to be Mormons and claim to support gay marriage.

I'm not Mormon, but my understanding is Mormons believe their prophet speaks for God. Is that right?

If Prophet Monson speaks for God, and prophet Monson says it should be illegal for gays to marry, isn't that meaning God is saying gay marriage should be illegal?

Wastintime
Los Angeles, CA

Question: what is the churches stance on polygamy? Is it abandoned practice or abandoned doctrine?

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Chris B,

My understanding is that the Pope is considered infallible to Catholics. Yet, many Catholics disagree with the Vatican's position on birth control, same-sex marriage, women in the priesthood, etc. Does that make these people's claim to Catholicism illegitimate?

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@Claudio

"Does that make these people's claim to Catholicism illegitimate?"

Yes; pretty much

No one is forced to belong to any religion in the US - so make a "choice" and join one you agree with

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@DanO

"The Unitarians and the Metropolitan Community Church, for instance are more than happy to perform marriages for same-gendered couples, but are prohibited by the laws in most states."

Correct me if wrong, but I don't believe gay marriage is illegal like polygamy is. It just isn't recognized by the government in all states. That means that gay couples can get married by any organization such as those Unitarian churches, but that the government won't recognize it. If this is correct, then it is worth repeating and recognizing the distinction.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Chris B
"I find it confusing when some people claim to be Mormons and claim to support gay marriage.

I'm not Mormon, but my understanding is Mormons believe their prophet speaks for God. Is that right?"

It shouldn't be too confusing, after all something like 90% of U.S. Catholics have used birth control.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Claudio,

Yes. I think if someone believes the Pope speaks for God and they don't do what the Pope says, those people are essentially saying they disagee with God.

Pretty simple concept really. Sorry it was confusing for you.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@alt134,

"It shouldnt be too confusing, after all something like 90% of Catholics have used birth control"

Then those 90% obviously dont believe the Pope speaks for God always, or they disagree with God.

Simple concept really, not sure you some people are struggling.

Mormons claim Prophet Monson speaks for God.

IF God(through prophet MOnson) thinks gay marriage should be illegal, the only explanation for a Mormon supporting gay marriage is:

1. Those people disagree with God.

Again. Simple concept. Not sure how people are having a hard time understanding.

Alt134 and Claudio,

Please let me know how I can be clearer, I'd love to clarify, but I feel I've been quite clear. If there is something I can do to be more clear, pleaes let me know!

Thanks!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

No statehouse nor capitol building is anyone's church. Let's keep it that way.

Whos Life RU Living?
Ogden, UT

I believe the LDS prophets are wrong on this subject just like they were with blacks and the priesthood, feminists, and intellectuals. Instead of continuing to produce black eyes on history, it might be better to start loving and embracing the "sinners" and "critics."

Just a thought.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Chris B,

You were clear, thank you. I guess my point is that I don't know why someone has to agree 100% with a religion/political party/interest group/etc. in order to be a member of that group. I don't see why a person who agrees with most of Catholicism, but disagrees on birth control, can't be Catholic. I don't see why a person who agrees with most of the Republican Party platform, but supports same-sex marriage (as Senator Rob Portman announced this week) can't belong to the Republican Party.

I don't understand why we need to assign degrees to membership. If I choose to belong to a group and I meet the group's established standards for membership, who is anyone to tell me I'm not a "real" member of the group?

Does that make sense?

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

I am glad that Chris B. is out of his limit of 4 postings, as his postings are rediculous. My thought is while mormons don't condone being homosexual and they have a right to take a stand against it, it is wrong of them to say it should be illegal. That is the same as them saying they don't believe in alcohol (which they don't) so it should be illegal for ANYBODY to choose to use it. Of course, that would be absurd. Nobody is asking them to drink, or be homosexual or even agree with it. I think the church has forgotten what it is like to be persecuted for doing something illegal regarding marriage (polygamy). They should remember that because polygamy was illegal and they still did it because they thought it was right. Many others were against it. So why don't they remember that?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

You know there is a whole lot we know now that we didn't know in the past. For example, we know that skin complexion is the work of natural selection, not God's curses; we know that the mechanism of inheritance is genetic and not via "blood," and we know that same-sex attraction is largely in-born. Since organized religion has had to retreat on so many fronts, it's hard to take their position on same-sex marriage very seriously, not that there may be problems with it, bur religion has little credibility as an opponent.

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

So basically the church would like the SCOTUS to continue to allow government to ignore the 1st and 16th Amendments under the guise that in their opinion "strengthens families"? What governmental purpose does not allowing to consenting adults to be married? Life-safety general welfare? Hardly. Enforcement of religious beliefs across the board regardless of religious or non-religious affiliation? Absolutely. Gay’s being married hurts society no more than it does if two members of the same sex cohabitate with each other, and we don’t seem to egger as a society to start trying to stop that now do we? Then what’s the deal? Each to each, mind your business!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Chris B
"Then those 90% obviously dont believe the Pope speaks for God always, or they disagree with God. "

Okay, you just seemed confused that there could be LDS members who disagreed on matters.

"IF God(through prophet MOnson) thinks gay marriage should be illegal, the only explanation for a Mormon supporting gay marriage is:
1. Those people disagree with God."

There is one little catch though... Elder Whitney Clayton of the Seventy, and the LDS General Authority in charge of the Prop 8 stuff the church was involved with, had stated that LDS members should feel free to disagree with the church on the issue (Prop 8) without fear of sanction. So while the church has taken a stance, it is not considering members taking a different stance to be a real problem (at least with regards to civil marriage... if one were to advocate same-sex marriage in the temple, then there'd be problems I'm sure). I would argue that the church actually isn't even claiming that their support of Prop 8 is from God it's just something they've voiced an opinion about like they have with those non-discrimination ordinances for housing and employment.

bob j
Maryborough, 00

If the Lord's word was followed there would be no need for a court hearing.

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